What insect walks on all fours?

[pshun2404]

Actually the Lord is referring to these in a language they would comprehend...when these ancients say observe a fly they see the fly use its two front appendages as we would arms (to hold, lift, carry, etc)....it really is that simple....to an ancient this would be how it appears...other insects do not do this...

 

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Yet in regards to the flying thing referenced in Leviticus 11:20, do you think they comprehended whether it was a fowl or an insect. But as far as written in a language they would comprehend, maybe so.

Yet as far as your analogy using the fly, not to argue the point but I have to disagree with your observation that fly use their front legs to hold, life or carry anything. They do rub them together and other parts of their anatomy to clean themselves, so I get the gist of your comment which also demonstrates that it really isn't that simple. But lets say a fly does use its front legs to pick something up, it would be incapable of going upon all four, which is now referred unto as producing 'locomotion'.

Now it can be observed in the format of the passage that there is an introduction statement and a statement of conclusion for the kind of thing being discussed within those two points.

Leviticus 11:2 begins with the beasts which man can eat
Leviticus 11:8 concludes the section on the beasts with

Leviticus 11:9 begins with that which shall can be eaten of all that are in the waters:
Leviticus 11:12 concludes with whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Leviticus 11:13 beings with these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls;
Leviticus 11:20 ends with all fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

So as Leviticus 11:20 concludes the passages regarding the fowls, thus in Leviticus 11:21 begins the section regarding the creeping things that fly, which refers insects being invertebrates. Thus, it is written "Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;" When someone mention the praying mantis, the reason I asked if they had legs above their feet since the passage regarding the creeping things that fly concludes in Leviticus 11:23, "But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you."

Since the purpose of the Gospel was not just that all men [male or female] would be saved, as written in 1 Tim 2:1-4
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

So any ideas about what fowl goes upon all four?

 

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P.S. One suspects the ancients of Israel were capable of counting the number of legs on many insects they encountered even if they may typically have preferred not to count the number on centipedes.

P.S. Centipedes are not insects

 

[pshun2404]

If this helps all the Rabbis interpret this as "winged swarming things" and think the KJV "fowl" is an absurdity...therefore it is insects...(the loft hold carry was a statement regarding CERTAIN insects in general) take the ant for example, carrying a bread crumb, or yes a fly when it cleans...Leviticus 11 is only saying that as part of their covenant (agreement/contract) Israelites were NOT to eat these...in their language and culture the reader got it immediately

Again in verse 13 we have the term owph which generically refers to flyiing things that swarm....once verse 14 is taken in the correct context verse 20 makes perfect sense.

"Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goes upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth" refers to locusts, grasshoppers, and so on, which are Kosher...I don't see the confusion

So any ideas about what fowl goes upon all four?

Yes, none, it is not speaking of fowls...ancient Hebrew like ancient Japanese has only a limited number of word choices. The cognate root of this term simply means "wing" or "winged" and nothing more....the context determines the 'sense' and as you have pointed out correctly, if we use this as "fowl" in THIS passage it makes no "sense", thereby we KNOW it is the wrong word choice (not in the LXX or the Masoretic)

 

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P.S. Centipedes are not insects

While technically my grammar does not label centipedes as insects, one could well infer it as an implication, so I thank you for the correction (sincerely); my intent in adding centipedes had to do with humor rather than taxonomy precision such as might be anachronistically applied to ancient Israelites, but in hindsight I wish I had been more careful.

 

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While technically my grammar does not label centipedes as insects, one could well infer it as an implication, so I thank you for the correction (sincerely); my intent in adding centipedes had to do with humor rather than taxonomy precision such as might be anachronistically applied to ancient Israelites, but in hindsight I wish I had been more careful.

Heck, they are still creeping things and not birds.... You are more than welcome.

If this helps all the Rabbis interpret this as "winged swarming things" and think the KJV "fowl" is an absurdity...therefore it is insects...(the loft hold carry was a statement regarding CERTAIN insects in general) take the ant for example, carrying a bread crumb, or yes a fly when it cleans...Leviticus 11 is only saying that as part of their covenant (agreement/contract) Israelites were NOT to eat these...in their language and culture the reader got it immediately

Again in verse 13 we have the term owph which generically refers to flyiing things that swarm....once verse 14 is taken in the correct context verse 20 makes perfect sense.

"Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goes upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth" refers to locusts, grasshoppers, and so on, which are Kosher...I don't see the confusion

So any ideas about what fowl goes upon all four?

Yes, none, it is not speaking of fowls...ancient Hebrew like ancient Japanese has only a limited number of word choices. The cognate root of this term simply means "wing" or "winged" and nothing more....the context determines the 'sense' and as you have pointed out correctly, if we use this as "fowl" in THIS passage it makes no "sense", thereby we KNOW it is the wrong word choice (not in the LXX or the Masoretic)

So under which "Day" in Genesis were the insects made?

Deut 14:19 clearly contradicts you teaching since the creeping things were made under the precept of the sixth day.

Duet 14:19 And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten. KJV
Deut 14:19 All flying insects that swarm are unclean to you; do not eat them. NIV

So which insect has flesh, for the life of the flesh is in the blood.

Lev 14:51-52
51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
Proverbs 3:5
I look forward to your response.