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You have the same worry, except that you believe it hinges on your ability to convince, while we believe it hinges upon God's own choosing. You do raise your children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, don't you? Why would you do that if the whole matter is going to rise or fall upon their own decision? Because you believe you can have an effect on that decision. So you have power over the ultimate power... your child's own ability to make Christ's work effective or ineffective; to aid or defeat the purposes of God. Man... ya'll is some mighty potent peoples!
Wide range there, cowboy. Presbyterians believe along one general line while Reformed Baptists along another. And there are differences within those groups as well. I won't go into all that with you, maybe others will. But enough here know my position to know your postulated dilemma is no difficulty for me, I believe what God has promised for my children, not what man has "what-iffed" himself into questioning and denying those promises with various errors. Its a Presby thing.... you wouldn't understand.
I have completely submitted my life to Christ. And my Children are God's for him to do as he wills. Whether it's election or not, I am crucified with Christ and no longer live but Christ lives inside of me. And yes it would tear my heart apart that they would end up in heaven, but I trust God's reasoning rather than my own.
That's a tough one that devides many reformed Christians. Some state that children that are taken in/before adolesence proves their election since they wouldn't have much of a conscience and wake up in hell a second after being created. Others stated that proves that they are not part of God's elect that's why they are send to hell before choosing Christ. I think that scripture isn't clear about this issue therefore I refuse to make a conclusion about it.
You're welcome brother. I apologize if any of my reformed brothers or sisters offends you. We have a long history of being attacked because of our soteriological views so a few ( very few) tend to be defensive.
No need to apologize for me, bro. Me and DMagoh have a history, and for him to allude to another's "diatribe and sarcasm" is a real hilarity.
I have to say I am surprised by your statement because I have seen DMagoh post in other forums and his posts have not only logical but also in Christ's love.
We know you, dear DMagoh, newer folks here do not:
No need to apologize for me, bro. Me and DMagoh have a history, and for him to allude to another's "diatribe and sarcasm" is a real hilarity.
Most conservative Presbyterians believe about our children that they are elect, yet generally not regenerate. They are "presumed regenerate": that is, they are assumed to be prior to regeneration, and thus assumed to be headed for regeneration. Therefore we're commissioned by God to inform them about their state and privileged to deliver them the Gospel that saves us. Especially so for our children.
Opps. Sorry. Our friend has decided his past posts are not worthy of our perusal. From his CF personal page:
But anyway, here's an interesting thread. And another. At least if he's gonna troll he's staying in Ask a Calvinist.
To be honest with you brother he just seems to be confused about calvinistic principles. He has already indicated to me that he now wants to understand calvinism. So I suggest we welcome him to ask any questions and that you two love each other as Christ commanded. There is no point in holding grudges.
Fine with me. If DMagoh is sincere in his desire to understand the doctrines of God's sovereignty, I welcome him here. If he's laid aside the trolling stuff, I have no problem.
Sure. It's four hundred year old news, but I guess it's news to those who haven't looked.
Nothing. Nothing in the case of us sinners, either. Both have original sin. Both are subjects of God's mercy and thus His calling and regeneration. Both may believe.
No. They are concluded to be elect because of the evidence God gives, "elect for the sake of their fathers." That's the sole evidence to go on: God's promises about election. If they reveal in maturity that they are not believers, then their rebellion shows they have not been reconciled with God. That is also evidence to go on.
