What if you Find a Watch in the Sand?

[TG123]

I still want to know why you think I should have an explanation for the "origin of everything".

No, you don't have.to have an explanation. I think it's a great question to consider. Hopefully it will lead you to God, Who is the Creator of all things.

Given our current position in the universe, I think its most likely that we humans would NOT have a solid explanation.... AND that any explanation we propose is probably fabricated out of our imagination.
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The Bible explains it pretty well.

 

[durangodawood]

The Bible explains it pretty well.

It proposes an explanation that seems imagined, or mythical.
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Unless you have made a personal commitment to the truth of the book, it reads like a myth... like so many of the other creation myths out there. I certainly see no reason to elevate this one myth alone to "reality".
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Back to my other point: the lack of an explanation for "the origin of everything" is most reasonable oosition, given our current situation in the universe. Faith may lead you elsewhere. But reason does not yet have enough data to arrive at a conclusion.
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[TG123]

It proposes an explanation that seems imagined, or mythical.
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Unless you have made a personal commitment to the truth of the book, it reads like a myth... like so many of the other creation myths out there. I certainly see no reason to elevate this one myth alone to "reality".
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Hopefully one day while still on this earth you will acknowledge the information in it to be true, and put your faith in Jesus.

 

[durangodawood]

Hopefully one day while still on this earth you will acknowledge the information in it to be true, and put your faith in Jesus.

I'm sorry. I had thought you were appealing to reason to convince me of the creator-explanation for "all this".
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The lack of an explanation for "the origin of everything" IS most reasonable position, given our current situation in the universe. Faith may lead you elsewhere. But reason does not yet have enough data to arrive at a conclusion.
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[TG123]

I'm sorry. I had thought you were appealing to reason to convince me of the creator-explanation for "all this".
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The lack of an explanation for "the origin of everything" is most reasonable position, given our current situation in the universe. Faith may lead you elsewhere. But reason does not yet have enough data to arrive at a conclusion.
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The existence of a creator makes far more sense to me than any other possibility. I can't and won't try to force you to accept God and what the Bible says about Him. I will pray that you and others do and I will keep being a witness, but what you decide is ultimately between you and God.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Or, that God is different from His creation so that He would not be what we would consider a "thing".

I would file that under odd understanding of "everything".

Nope. God is all-knowing, all-powerful, blameless, has always existed. These are only some of His amazing attributes. Find me something you are aware of that has all of these attributes.

I am an atheist/ignostic. You are totally asking the wrong person. Plus, these attributes don't mean anything much. I have seen people say that all-powerful "merely" means that God or whatever can do the logically possible. And that doesn't mean much at all. It means it can do what it can do. Similar in the case of all-knowing, blameless and a host of others that you have not even enumerated here.

On the other hand ... Didn't you just tell me that you would find it implausible that something would just exists if it is not God, i.e. "all-knowing, all-powerful, blameless" and what not? Hmmm ...

 

[dlamberth]

Hopefully one day while still on this earth you will acknowledge the information in it to be true, and put your faith in Jesus.

The Biblical Genises Creation Story and faith in Jesus Christ are two completely different things. I think that it is wrong minded to combine the two as if they are one and the same.

As an aside editorial on your comment, personally, I find myself putting my faith into whom Jesus prayed to and worshipped.

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[IzzyPop]

The existence of a creator makes far more sense to me than any other possibility. I can't and won't try to force you to accept God and what the Bible says about Him. I will pray that you and others do and I will keep being a witness, but what you decide is ultimately between you and God.

So once again, the complexity of the universe means it cannot be self created, but a being so complex as to create the universe self creating is the answer?

 

[TG123]

So once again, the complexity of the universe means it cannot be self created, but a being so complex as to create the universe self creating is the answer?

Yep.

 

[durangodawood]

The existence of a creator makes far more sense to me than any other possibility. I can't and won't try to force you to accept God and what the Bible says about Him. I will pray that you and others do and I will keep being a witness, but what you decide is ultimately between you and God.

If that is your desire, I would cease with the creation arguments. They are so easily deflated.
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[TG123]

If that is your desire, I would cease with the creation arguments. They are so easily deflated.
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What would it take to convince you?

 

[durangodawood]

What would it take to convince you?

An encounter. A direct encounter. Or even an oblique encounter, depending.
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The "arguments" of the necessity of God, for creation, for morals, for the popularity of religion, etc..... they all fail.
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[xDenax]

who created the raw material?

An exploded star, as already stated. I guess the issue here is that when we go back far enough, some want to say "god did it" and others prefer " we dont yet know". The not yet knowing is the beginning, it is not the end of the search.

 

[TG123]

An encounter. A direct encounter. Or even an oblique encounter, depending.
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The "arguments" of the necessity of God, for creation, for morals, for the popularity of religion, etc..... they all fail.
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Well, I do hope you encounter Him. If not that, I pray that one day you are convinced by what is in the Bible and the world around you, that He does exist and that He is very much real and wants to provide you with guidance and salvation.

Take care,

TG123

 

[TG123]

An exploded star, as already stated.

And Who created that?

 

[QueSi]

An exploded star, as already stated.

Why did the star explode?

 

[xDenax]

And Who created that?

The universe.

 

[TG123]

The universe.

And who created the universe?

 

[TerranceL]

Just out of curiousity. You discount the idea that an eternal God created everything, so I am curious to know what is your explanation.

I also discount that the earth sits on the back of a giant tortoise.

That doesn't mean I know the secrets of the universe.

 

[durangodawood]

And who created the universe?

No one knows!
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Here's some ideas though:
1. An eternal creator being created it.
2. The universe itself is eternal, contracting and expanding in a never ending cycle (although the contraction part looks improbable right now)
3. There are infinite universes giving rise to other universes, all in an eternally existing cosmos.
4. Our universe DID indeed just "pop out of nothing", despite bogus "proofs" that all appeal to fallible human "common sense".
5. Make something up! The conditions outside our universe are so unknown that you may as well do some pure speculation.
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