How is it that Calvinists give up their faith, then? The usual answer is that they were not really elect.
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
What if we don't PRACTICE what Jesus PREACHED?
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Let's define what you mean by Calvinists giving up their faith. What do you mean by that?
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That's a rather odd reaction. I take it then that you have no explanation or definition, you just want to bash Calvinists, because you think it's cool?
I will answer your question provided you tell me what you mean.
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OK, fine. You don't want to define what you mean, so you must think you already know the answer. So why'd you ask the question?
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He ordains that the elect walk in good works, they have no choice, plus its ensured by the new covenant blood that we walk in obedience..we are caused to by God..
ezk 36:
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Jesus has already provided for the practical walk of the believer..
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No wonder Calvinists give up.
Give Up? You obviously have confused me with someone else. You're not clever enough by half.
Since you won't define the question, you obviously have no interest in an answer. You just want to shoot spitballs. Grow up.
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Calluna,
How is it that Calvinists give up their faith, then? The usual answer is that they were not really elect.
It is the usual answer because it is the logical answer.
How is it that Calvinists give up their faith, then? The usual answer is that they were not really elect.
It is the usual answer because it is the logical answer.
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Why does a Calvinist (or anyone else who believes on Christ, for that matter) need something beside their own faith and the inner witness of the Spirit?
We walk by faith, not by sight.
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That means that Calvinists don't know that they are elect. The Spirit's witness is that, provided faith is maintained, God's friendship exists and salvation will be achieved. But the Spirit does not tell anyone that they will maintain faith. The Spirit does not provide tests that are not really tests. That is why faith is worked out in fear and trembling.
So Calvinism is the most pointless theology, because no-one knows who the elect are. Because that is so, there is reason to believe that, whoever the elect may be, they are not Calvinists.
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What twisted logic!
Scripture for that please? And more than one. Let everything be established at the mouth of two or three witnesses.
God knows who the Elect are. But by your reasoning, God is not trustworthy enough for us to let Him have that knowledge to Himself.
The underlying unspoken thing you are saying is that you believe that someone could believe on Christ, live their whole life walking with Him, and yet not be saved, and that would be a waste, because they could have been eating and drinking and making merry, i.e. sinning their heads off, if they had known they weren't going to be saved in the end. Isn't that so?
That thinking is in itself a product of the unregenerate mind.
If that is the reason you reject Calvinism, you prove quite clearly that you haven't got a clue as to what Calvinism teaches, and you have some serious issues with Christianity itself.
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Not quite. Anyone who believes himself to be predestined is presumptuous- or, those who claim to be predestined are liars. There is nothing wrong with the doctrine of predestination.
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Sure, as long as you don't apply it to anyone. Good grief, where did you learn to think? On one hand, you demand to know how we can know who those predestined are, then you turn around and say that anyone who believes he is, is a liar. All that proves is that you aren't interested in an answer, you just want to argue. And then you back your illogic up with stupid statements like "Calvinists are Catholics".
I suggest you either provide incontrovertible proof of that ridiculous statement, or admit that you just want to stir up strife. If strife is your goal, the spirit you are operating under is not the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit does not produce such fruit.
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