What if non-Christians go to heaven?

ps139 · Jan 10, 2006

Harlan Norris said:
But I do believe that failier to acknowlege Jesus Christs supreme sacrifice for our sake,would result in one not being saved.

Well, that brings me back to the same point. What if no one ever told you andthere was no possible way for you to even know the name Jesus Christ or the story of the gospel?

Is that still failure to acknowledge Christ? Can you fail at something if you were never given a chance to do it?

jad123 · Jan 10, 2006

This seems so simple but we make it so hard. Ever hear of the KISS technique? Keep It Simple Stupid. I am not calling any stupid, it is just a saying and one I try to follow. It has been laid out for us. God did not ask us to interpret His Word or to debate His Word. He has simply asked us to believe and to follow. Isn't that what faith is all about. Since accepting Christ do we not all have a wonderful story to tell? Scripture is clear and simple. Jesus is the way to the Father. Jesus died for us. Just because you live a so called good life does not mean you do not need Christ to enter. It is simple, it is clear. lets stop making this so hard.

Lynn73 · Jan 10, 2006

ps139 said:
I just want to point out that the OP did not advocate universalism, which is the belief that all will be saved.
I think he is simply saying that all will have a chance to be saved.

Thanks for clearing that up.

NeoGRizzly · Jan 10, 2006

it would be hell. they look to see jesus a man they never met, they look at christians joyful about something they can't under stand. they are sad because they miss the live they had on earth that had notthing to do with where they are. it would be torcher to them. God would not put them through such a unjustified Everlasting heart ship .

woobadooba · Jan 10, 2006

NeoGRizzly said:
it would be hell. they look to see jesus a man they never met, they look at christians joyful about something they can't under stand. they are sad because they miss the live they had on earth that had notthing to do with where they are. it would be torcher to them. God would not put them through such a unjustified Everlasting heart ship .

Why don't you let them speak for themselves.

woobadooba · Jan 10, 2006

jad123 said:
This seems so simple but we make it so hard. Ever hear of the KISS technique? Keep It Simple Stupid. I am not calling any stupid, it is just a saying and one I try to follow. It has been laid out for us. God did not ask us to interpret His Word or to debate His Word. He has simply asked us to believe and to follow. Isn't that what faith is all about. Since accepting Christ do we not all have a wonderful story to tell? Scripture is clear and simple. Jesus is the way to the Father. Jesus died for us. Just because you live a so called good life does not mean you do not need Christ to enter. It is simple, it is clear. lets stop making this so hard.

But nobody is saying that you don't need Christ to enter into heaven.

Did it ever ocurr to you that even if someone enters into heaven who did not know Christ, that it doesn't mean he didn't need Christ to be there?

icxn · Jan 10, 2006

Quote:

Weep for unbelievers; weep for those who differ in nowise from them, those who depart hence without the illumination [baptism], without the seal [chrismation]! they indeed deserve our wailing, they deserve our groans; they are outside the Palace, with the culprits, with the condemned...Let us all weep for these in private and in public, but with propriety, with gravity...let us weep for these, not one day or two, but all our life. Such tears spring from true affection...let us assist them according to our power...How and in what way? By praying and entreating others to make prayers for them, by continually giving to the poor on their behalf...when the whole people stands with uplifted hands, a priestly assembly, and that awful sacrifice lies displayed, how shall we not prevail with God by our entreaties for them? - St. John Chrysostom HOMILIES ON PHILIPPIANS, HOMILY III

longhair75 · Jan 10, 2006

good evening friends,

the lord god, in his infinite wisdom and mercy, will save whomever he pleases. it is not up to me to decide who this will be, or how it will be determined.

Harlan Norris · Jan 10, 2006

ps139 said:
Well, that brings me back to the same point. What if no one ever told you andthere was no possible way for you to even know the name Jesus Christ or the story of the gospel?

Is that still failure to acknowledge Christ? Can you fail at something if you were never given a chance to do it?

Well, again I say that I don't know who is saved or why. I'm not privy to that information.However,there is no doubt in my mind that salvation through Jesus Christ is central to the Christian faith.It is the reason for Christianity.So, if one does not believe that giving ones life to Jesus,is the requirement of salvation,then one is not a very good witness.If Jesus is just some guy that has a few relatively good ideas,no better than any other.Why follow him or anyone else?No, we follow Christ because salvation is offered through faith in him,and no other.

jad123 · Jan 10, 2006

woobadooba said:
But nobody is saying that you don't need Christ to enter into heaven.

Did it ever ocurr to you that even if someone enters into heaven who did not know Christ, that it doesn't mean he didn't need Christ to be there?

Fine, let me reword. You must know Christ to enter Heaven. Again this is clear in scripture (Heb 2:10, 1 John 2:2-4, John 10:7-9, John 14:6, Acts 4:12). Scripture is clear, one must accept and know Jesus. We can speculate on everyone else but that is for God. Does God make exceptions. Not for me to decide. We can only hope He allows those who have never heard His word. But and a big but, if you choose to deny Christ then I think the scripture is clear. Acts 17:30 says God overlooks times of ignorance. Does that include today. I will leave that to him.

Peace and Love.

woobadooba · Jan 10, 2006

jad123 said:
Fine, let me reword. You must know Christ to enter Heaven. Again this is clear in scripture (Heb 2:10, 1 John 2:2-4, John 10:7-9, John 14:6, Acts 4:12). Scripture is clear, one must accept and know Jesus. We can speculate on everyone else but that is for God. Does God make exceptions. Not for me to decide. We can only hope He allows those who have never heard His word. But and a big but, if you choose to deny Christ then I think the scripture is clear. Acts 17:30 says God overlooks times of ignorance. Does that include today. I will leave that to him.

Peace and Love.

What about little children who have died before they had the opportunity to get to know Jesus, or people who are mentally handicapped and can't comprehend the gospel, do you think they will be damned to hell?

As I had said before, no one can get into heaven without Jesus; yet, I am sure there will be some in heaven who never had the chance to get to know Him while they were on earth.

We will be judged according to the light that has been given to us.

billwald · Jan 10, 2006

>So if the saved be numerous as the stars,

Then we have a long way to go because there are probably billion^billion stars.

linssue55 · Jan 10, 2006

ltrain said:
What if non-Christians go to heaven?

They won't......"For those who do not believe, shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on them"........Period!

jad123 · Jan 11, 2006

woobadooba said:
What about little children who have died before they had the opportunity to get to know Jesus, or people who are mentally handicapped and can't comprehend the gospel, do you think they will be damned to hell?

As I had said before, no one can get into heaven without Jesus; yet, I am sure there will be some in heaven who never had the chance to get to know Him while they were on earth.

We will be judged according to the light that has been given to us.

I am not disagreeing with you on this. But scripture is clear but we in our finite human minds have to try to think up every possible scenario and guess what God would do. All this makes facinating conversation but ultimately there is not one person on this board that can say anything but the only way to the Father is through the Son. I submit to His Grace and Mercy in instances that are not clear to me or in scipture.

Lynn73 · Jan 11, 2006

How about we leave those who've never heard the gospel with the Lord? Whatever He does it will be just. We can't say there's any other way to be saved than through Christ or we change the gospel. But we don't know what God will do with those who don't ever hear so we should trust them to Him. If there's someone out in the jungle somewhere who knows there's a God and seeks Him and wants the truth, I think God very well may send someone to tell that person the gospel. Regardless, I have to leave them to Him.

ps139 · Jan 11, 2006

You are right Lynn. It's simply not our place to make the call here. Not only do we not have the ability to know the salvation of everyone, we do not have the right to declare where people are going... that would be judging which Christ commands us not to do, in Luke 6.

Lynn73 · Jan 11, 2006

Yes, just keep on going to these countries and jungles and share the gospel with as many as possible.

ps139 · Jan 11, 2006

Amen

revduane · Jan 11, 2006

ps139 said:
You are right Lynn. It's simply not our place to make the call here. Not only do we not have the ability to know the salvation of everyone, we do not have the right to declare where people are going... that would be judging which Christ commands us not to do, in Luke 6.

And when we judge in these areas, we will judge in every other area, and call it testing the fruits.

Blessings. Rev.

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