What if criminal investigations were done the way creationists do science?

[Catholicon]

What did

Here in America we have a very famous case of a little girl who was murdered years ago. Today, all evidence points away from whom many people think did the crime.

have to do with my post of

Why would you have any reason to believe him when there IS "very strong evidence to the contrary"?

You do know what "evidence" means, don't you?

And I'll ask again because you didn't actually ANSWER my question: How would you know they're guilty, because of the evidence or because of a note?

And are you going to answer my question?

 

[theFijian]

Why either or? Why not mad and/or bad?

Ok pedant! The God of Creationism is either mad or bad or mad and bad

 

[AV1611VET]

In the "creationist method," as you call it, the "murderer" would leave a note detailing what he did, how he did it, the sequence of events, etc.

The other is the English translation of a note written in Hebrew that the translator claims was magically transmitted to the mind of the original writer by the "real killer".

Unbelievable is the level of expertise of some of you guys' debating skills. I put out a simple scenario, then you change it into another language, bring it up-to-date via magic, etc., then, after you've sufficiently added to it so that it can't possibly be answered, wonder why I don't answer it.

 

[Catholicon]

Mad or bad or mad and bad?

Creationists: It's so sad that you've been had. It makes me glad it's just a fad.

 

[AV1611VET]

... the God of the Bible is not a deceiver. The God of Creationism is however.

Wow --- you totally lost me on this. How can I argue against such scholarly remarks as this?

The God of the Bible is not a deceiver; but the God of Creationism is --- wow.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll tell you what, you guys just carry on without me. Let me know when you finally decide who the real killer was.

 

[Catholicon]

So anyway, about this "murderer", would you base his guilt on the evidence or on a note if the evidence and the note contradicted each other?

 

[MoonLancer]

Here in America we have a very famous case of a little girl who was murdered years ago. Today, all evidence points away from whom many people think did the crime.

if their are more cases were the innocent go free the guilty go to jail, the system works better then the old zealotes ways of doing things. I guess we should purge the unclean eh? all in the game of good Christian acts?

with sensational news, its hard to have a fair trial. Bias runs ramped. Its makes it harder to utilize the scientific theory when everybody has a suspect before the evidence is present.

The idea of evolution is derived from the scientific theory.
without the scientific method we would have witch burnings again. will you defend these actions with a new Christian creationist world order?

most of the people burned in Salem were Christian what will you do if this happens to you? will you still disagree with due due proses and scientific theory?

 

[theFijian]

Wow --- you totally lost me on this. How can I argue against such scholarly remarks as this?

The God of the Bible is not a deceiver; but the God of Creationism is --- wow.

So you are happy with God's revelations contradicting each other? I wonder why you have not denied this. But hey just flap your arms, make loud squaking noises cos heaven forbid you should actually engage with the argument! (and no, another tortuously mangled analogy does not constitute engaging with the argument.)

 

[AV1611VET]

So you are happy with God's revelations contradicting each other?

In Genesis 1 when first God, then Adam and Eve, had dominion, there was no death.

Today, with Satan having dominion, death is everywhere; yea, it is even called by God Himself an "enemy."

[bible]1 Corinthians 15:26[/bible]

So, as I put it, nature is hostile to God, but obedient.

 

[theFijian]

In Genesis 1 when first God, then Adam and Eve, had dominion, there was no death.

Today, with Satan having dominion, death is everywhere; yea, it is even called by God Himself an "enemy."

[bible]1 Corinthians 15:26[/bible]

So, as I put it, nature is hostile to God, but obedient.

So you are happy with God's revelations contradicting each other, therefore the God of Creationism is deceptive.

 

[Catholicon]

So anyway, about this "murderer", would you base his guilt on the evidence or on a note if the evidence and the note contradicted each other?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Unbelievable is the level of expertise of some of you guys' debating skills. I put out a simple scenario, then you change it into another language, bring it up-to-date via magic, etc., then, after you've sufficiently added to it so that it can't possibly be answered, wonder why I don't answer it.

You put up a simple analogy that is not relevant to the argument. I put up one that is. It is exactly what creationists do. You accept an allegedly inspired narrative that have been translated many times even though it is contradicted by all the evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

Defense: Listen closely, jury. Imagine if all of the evidence presented against my client were created from nothing, ex nihilo. Imagine that I poofed this evidence out of nothing right in front of you. What would you show to others, as evidence, that these fingerprints, DNA, etc. were magically poofed into being from nothing? That's right, you couldn't. The very lack of evidence of this stuff being magically poofed into existence is proof that my client is innocent.

Prosecution: This is ludicrous, your Honor. Are you going to allow this argument to stand?

Judge: Does the defense have anything supporting their argument?

Defense: The lack of evidence is our evidence, your Honor.

Judge: Surely you have more than that?

Defense: I do have a letter written by Iggy the Magic Elf who claims, through divine revelation, that He magically poofed this evidence into being.

Judge: Proceed.

Does this sound like a solid case, or not?

 

[theFijian]

Ah well, I see that AV has abandoned this thread.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah well, I see that AV has abandoned this thread.

You have good eyesight.

 

[Catholicon]

So does that mean you're not going to answer the question of would you base the killer's guilt on the evidence or on a note if the evidence and the note contradicted each other?

 

[MoonLancer]

In Genesis 1 when first God, then Adam and Eve, had dominion, there was no death.

Today, with Satan having dominion, death is everywhere; yea, it is even called by God Himself an "enemy."

[bible]1 Corinthians 15:26[/bible]

So, as I put it, nature is hostile to God, but obedient.

In the bible, God kills more then Lucifer. Interesting is it not? Seems like in the bible, GOD is the god of Death, and Lucifer is the god of Defiance.

 

[AV1611VET]

In the bible, God kills more then Lucifer. Interesting is it not? Seems like in the bible, GOD is the god of Death, and Lucifer is the god of Defiance.

God killed Lucifer?

 

[MoonLancer]

God killed Lucifer?

I think you misunderstand, in the bible god is attributed to killing more people then Lucifer. I think Lucifer is at 2 or 3 and god is somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.

their for Lucifer seems more like a god of defiance not death. thats just my observation.