What if criminal investigations were done the way creationists do science?

[AV1611VET]

Hence, trees would have growth rings and human bones (among others) would have calcium deposit rings.

Why? Our trees today would, but their predecessors did too? What "kinds" of trees lived back in Genesis 1?

Like I say, if you can't get past Genesis 1, you're in for a doosey of a ride, because it just gets harder from there.

Incidentally, I'm in the mood for a good challenge; so I'm going to start a thread about tree rings, etc. in the Garden just to see what happens.

You up to the challenge, Corvus?

 

[AV1611VET]

Okie-doke, debaters --- make my day.

 

[TroubleShooter43]

I don't read "talk origins" (wash my mouth.) the atheistic evo fundies unholy babble. You ought to take time out to learn what evidence is rather than link me to biased opinion.

FoeHammer.

As the old saying states, "the truth hurts". There is no evidence in support of creation; everything points to evolution. Organisations such as talk origins, the panda's thumb, etc. are valuable resources in the struggle against ignorance. The only bias that one might find there is a bias in favour of the truth.

 

[Ryal Kane]

AV1611VET, I suspect that I asked this once before but for the life of me I can't recall your reply so..

Given embedded age as you understand it, if scientists were to examine all the natural evidence of our world, without referring to Genesis at all, would they find it, through their methods to be billions of years old? Is there any scientific test they could perform to indicate that it was younger?

If not then your position seems to be a purely philisophical one and isn't technically at odds with science.

 

[AV1611VET]

Given embedded age as you understand it, if scientists were to examine all the natural evidence of our world, without referring to Genesis at all, would they find it, through their methods to be billions of years old?

Yes --- just like if you were to examine your bicycle in the parking lot.

 

[TheOutsider]

How about I provide my name and address and you can pop any evidence you think you have into a very small box and mail it to me, I'll even refund the P&P? But I guess you don't have any of that kind of evidence do you? You'll want to link me to some article on the web which you consider evidence but I consider someones interpretation of alleged evidence.

That sound an awful like more hand waving. We don't give you the exact type of information that you like so you can ignore all of the other evidence there is. I still have not received an explanation from any Creationist on why naturalism, empiricism, and deductive reasoning are great science tools except when we start using them on biology and geology.

Y

ou have seen the evidence of God you just don't see it as evidence of Him.

FoeHammer.

Congratulations on rewording exactly what I just said. I believe that a god (or several gods, honestly) exist but I have seen zero evidence that the God (YHWH, El, the God of Abraham and Moses) exists. Especially one that created the universe ~6000 years ago and caused a global flood that killed almost all life on earth ~4000 years ago.

 

[Ryal Kane]

Yes --- just like if you were to examine your bicycle in the parking lot.

So where do you stand on events like the great Flood?

 

[AV1611VET]

So where do you stand on events like the great Flood?

Occurred as documented.

 

[kidoncoathangers]

Occurred as documented.

In Babylonian literature?

 

[MoonLancer]

Occurred as documented.

in other words it didn't happen?

 

[Nathan Poe]

In Babylonian literature?

Or the original Sumerian?

 

[kidoncoathangers]

Or the original Sumerian?

I haven't a clue, it's AV that brought up documentation...

 

[MoonLancer]

I haven't a clue, it's AV that brought up documentation...

what Nathan Poe is saying (correct me if i'm wrong), is that the concept of a global flood pre dates the Isrialites or at the very least the old testament.

 

[kidoncoathangers]

what Nathan Poe is saying (correct me if i'm wrong), is that the concept of a global flood pre dates the Isrialites or at the very least the old testament.

Mmmhmm, which is exactly what I meant by my Babylonian comment.

 

[AV1611VET]

Mmmhmm, which is exactly what I meant by my Babylonian comment.

FYI, Nimrod was Noah's great-grandson.

[bible]Genesis 10:8[/bible]

 

[kidoncoathangers]

FYI, Nimrod was Noah's great-grandson.

[bible]Genesis 10:8[/bible]

?

 

[AV1611VET]

?

How could Babylon have been in existence before the Flood, when Babylon was built by Nimrod, who was the son of Cush, who was the son of Ham, who was the son of Noah?

People like to bring Egypt up too. How could Egypt have existed before the Flood when Egypt came from Mizraim, who came from Ham, who came from Noah?

Genesis 10 is known as the Table of Nations.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

How could Babylon have been in existence before the Flood, when Babylon was built by Nimrod, who was the son of Cush, who was the son of Ham, who was the son of Noah?

People like to bring Egypt up too. How could Egypt have existed before the Flood when Egypt came from Mizraim, who came from Ham, who came from Noah?

Genesis 10 is known as the Table of Nations.

how could all that happen? Ummmm... maybe because there WAS no Flood?

(otherwise, which of Noah's decendants did the Giants come from?)

 

[kidoncoathangers]

How could Babylon have been in existence before the Flood, when Babylon was built by Nimrod, who was the son of Cush, who was the son of Ham, who was the son of Noah?

People like to bring Egypt up too. How could Egypt have existed before the Flood when Egypt came from Mizraim, who came from Ham, who came from Noah?

Genesis 10 is known as the Table of Nations.

Any sources besides the bible that say that the said cities were build by those men, or that they were descendants of noah?

 

[Deadbolt]

How could Babylon have been in existence before the Flood, when Babylon was built by Nimrod, who was the son of Cush, who was the son of Ham, who was the son of Noah?

People like to bring Egypt up too. How could Egypt have existed before the Flood when Egypt came from Mizraim, who came from Ham, who came from Noah?

Genesis 10 is known as the Table of Nations.

Can you tell us then, Where the Maya and Aztecs came from? How about the Ainu? The bushmen of Australia?