What if criminal investigations were done the way creationists do science?

[AV1611VET]

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We are, adn how it compares to the scientifiic method. Are you actually going to address the post?

Please show me in the OP where a comparison is being requested.

 

[AV1611VET]

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And all the cases where Mr Smith doesn't hang around with a nice confession, but instead cleans up and flees the scene? What do you do then?

Refer them to the point made in Post 14.

 

[Psudopod]

Please show me in the OP where a comparison is being requested.

The op can claify, but I read it as a comparison between the two - creationism starts with the desired outcome and looks for evidence, where as the scientif method takes the evidence and puts together a case.

Refer them to the point made in Post 14.

Now you've lost me!

 

[MrGoodBytes]

MrGoodBytes, do you want to address the OP or not?

Mr Smith shoots Mr Brown, then writes a note that he shot Mr Brown and leaves it at the scene.

Then he stands outside the front door while detectives show up and process the scene.

This would be my estimation of what the OP is calling the "Creationist Method."

Is there a problem understanding it, or are you guys, as usual, convoluting?

I'd have no problem with this if that was the way creationism actually works in the real world. Unfortunately, it doesn't.

We know that Mr.Brown wasn't shot, despite Mr. Smith's claim.

We didn't find the note at the SOC. It was mailed to the police years later.

Mr. Smith never showed up at the SOC. From time to time, people who claim to be his friends tell the police that Mr. Smith would like to surrender - only they have to catch him first.

 

[AV1611VET]

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The op can claify, but I read it as a comparison between the two - creationism starts with the desired outcome and looks for evidence, where as the scientif method takes the evidence and puts together a case.

"Creationism," whatever that is, need look no further than Genesis 1, which is a written confession of what you call "creationism."

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Please show me in the OP where a comparison is being requested.

The entire point of the OP is just such a comparison... its right there in the title *wonders how many pairs of taps AV goes through in a year with his constant Fundie dance*

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd have no problem with this if that was the way creationism actually works in the real world. Unfortunately, it doesn't.

We know that Mr.Brown wasn't shot, despite Mr. Smith's claim.

We didn't find the note at the SOC. It was mailed to the police years later.

Mr. Smith never showed up at the SOC. From time to time, people who claim to be his friends tell the police that Mr. Smith would like to surrender - only they have to catch him first.

lolol --- you Atheists kill me --- (pun intended).

 

[Deadbolt]

Please show me in the OP where a comparison is being requested.

Hold on a minute bucko, you're at your tricksey word games again. Everyone else is raising valid points as i see it. If you don't want to answer just say so. Don't be so dogmatic about the OP, we all know what we're talking about, right?

 

[Psudopod]

"Creationism," whatever that is, need look no further than Genesis 1, which is a written confession of what you call "creationism."

So, in your opinion then, it has no place in foresics and we can carry out using the scientific method without issue?

 

[MrGoodBytes]

lolol --- you Atheists kill me --- (pun intended).

To quote plindboe: "Feel free to elaborate".

 

[AV1611VET]

The entire point of the OP is just such a comparison... its right there in the title *wonders how many pairs of taps AV goes through in a year with his constant Fundie dance*

[Here we go, folks.]

Second time: please show me in the OP where a comparison is being requested.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you don't want to answer just say so.

So.

/thread

 

[MrGoodBytes]

So.

/thread

Creationism in a nutshell.

 

[Deadbolt]

Second time: please show me in the OP where a comparison is being requested.

Screw the OP, a Lady asked you. Are you a gentleman or what?

 

[Psudopod]

The OP takes two ideas and looks at the differences between them. That's a comparison in my books.

The post isn't asking a question, it's exploring an idea. Other people are then asking direct questions. Answer them or just say you can't address the point. Don't /thread and walk off, it makes you seem childish.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

"Creationism," whatever that is, need look no further than Genesis 1, which is a written confession of what you call "creationism."

well, to be fair, a written confession written by a guy who CLAIMS to have taken the confession as dictation from the guilty party...

So that makes it a biographical account, rather than an autobiographical one

 

[EnemyPartyII]

lolol --- you Atheists kill me --- (pun intended).

and therews the second part of the fundie two step... rather than deal with the actual question asked, just make vaguely glib, irrelevant remarks that answer nothing

 

[FoeHammer]

Suppose a Murder were investigated using the creationist method, i.e. Start with an absolute conclusion, search for evidence to support it.

How do you know it was murder?

For reference, the scientific method is the exact opposite, You start with evidence and reach a conclusion based on it.

If that is true then what evidence for the spontaneous generation of life from non-living matter was there that promted the scientific investigation into abiogenesis. If there was none then aren't "scientists" doing what you accuse creationists of doing? Are they then scientists?

Thats right, the same method used in forensics to investigate and solve crime is the same method used by geologists, paleontologists, geneticists and biologists to reach their conclusions in support of the Theory of Evolution.

You first need to establish that a "crime" has been committed. In the case of ToE it has not been established it has been assumed (concluded). You have started with a "conclusion" and are (desperately) searching for "evidence" to support it. Again "scientists" are doing what you accuse creationists of doing.

Come to think of it, there was a time when criminal investigations were done by the creationist method, It was called the Inquisition.

You mean the ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION now replaced by the atheistic evolutionary inquisition for the "scientific" heresy of not believing the nonsense they promote.
Bring it on.

FoewHammer.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

lolol --- you Atheists kill me --- (pun intended).

Wrong word choices. Substitute atheists, agnostics and theistic evolutionists for Atheists and pwn for kill and then you will have made a correct statement for a change.

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

MrGoodBytes, do you want to address the OP or not?

Mr Smith shoots Mr Brown, then writes a note that he shot Mr Brown and leaves it at the scene.

Then he stands outside the front door while detectives show up and process the scene.

This would be my estimation of what the OP is calling the "Creationist Method."

Is there a problem understanding it, or are you guys, as usual, convoluting?

How do they know that Mr Smith wrote the note?