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This is most common all over the earth. No reason needed to leave Christianity or to reject it. Simply being deceived with the whole world, very popular position, and deadly (leads to destruction of your life and soul).I'll start... I'm a growing skeptic to Christianity.
I think you may be somewhat confused. We are using the same definition. It is those claiming that God doesn't exist that suggest that the universe was caused by nothing. It is the theist who claims that there was never nothing because God always existed and the universe was caused by God. God is the eternal uncaused cause.When I lookup up 'nothing', it states 'not anything, not a single thing.' This would imply anything, everything, everywhere. According to such a conceptual definition, I'm sure God is not nothing, is He?
How might one determine which definition is correct? (yours, mine, other)
But this somehow excludes a claimed omnitemporal God?
This is most common all over the earth. No reason needed to leave Christianity or to reject it. Simply being deceived with the whole world, very popular position, and deadly (leads to destruction of your life and soul).
It doesn't matter who you listened to or didn't like. No excuses accepted on judgment day.
"unbelief"for not believing
I think you may be somewhat confused. We are using the same definition. It is those claiming that God doesn't exist that suggest that the universe was caused by nothing. It is the theist who claims that there was never nothing because God always existed and the universe was caused by God. God is the eternal uncaused cause.
The biggest thing, for me, is fulfilled prophecy. God, telling us what is going to happen, long before it happens. Here are some examples~~~> The Bible: Proofs of Its Supernatural Origin .
It is juvenile. For all you know it's vitally important for you to not have that toe; you're fixated on some thing that you want to have and playing a 12 year old's line of "dad won't give me what I want, what a dick".I know this methodology appears juvenile.
Perhaps you are correct. Which is why it is more logical and reasonable to assume that something created the universe as opposed to nothing creating the universe. Which to me seems more absurd than magic. Because at least there is a magician with a wand making a rabbit "pop into existence" from a hat.Until we establish a 'nothing', it's all confusion.
I'll ask some semi-relevant questions again, from a much prior post:
What's colder than absolute zero?
What's slower than stop?
When you know the definitions of 'absolute zero, and 'stop', the questions become silly. Couple this with the plausibility of infinite regress, and/or 'always was', then the presented questions also become unnecessary.
Because we are able to invent the question, does not automatically make it logical, or even 'answerable'. I have committed this error myself (many times)... Without establishing definitions, it's a free-for-all...
When I lookup up 'nothing', it states 'not anything, not a single thing.' This would imply anything, everything, everywhere. According to such a conceptual definition, I'm sure God is not nothing, is He?
How might one determine which definition is correct? (yours, mine, other)
Perhaps you are correct. Which is why it is more logical and reasonable to assume that something created the universe as opposed to nothing creating the universe. Which to me seems more absurd than magic. Because at least there is a magician with a wand making a rabbit "pop into existence" from a hat.
Hope you don't mind me butting in, cvanwey, but I think you should look up the definition of "thing". God is not a thing (which implies creation per Webster's, 1828), but is an uncreated eternal incorporeal Spirit which does not require any "thing" for His existence. He, who had no beginning, stands outside our space-time universe, which had a beginning. In the absence of space-time, beginning has no meaning.
Hope this helps;
Michael
I feel you've completely missed the point, but thnx.It is juvenile. For all you know it's vitally important for you to not have that toe; you're fixated on some thing that you want to have and playing a 12 year old's line of "dad won't give me what I want, what a dick".
Quit whining.
“A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.”
C.S. Lewis
Before I delve into these asserted claims, are you even open for debate on this stated evidence??? If you are certain they are true, and nothing can persuade you otherwise, regardless of what may discovered, then I'm not really going to bother at this juncture (but may down the road). This will take some digging to validate or reject, from my own 'objective' findings.
Sure, I'll listen to anything you have to say on the matter. I'm not closed minded. If something is proven to be wrong, I don't continue to believe that it's right.
It sounded to me like the point is you won't believe in God because he won't perform your pet miracle for you. If that's not what you meant, I apologise.
So which one appears false? This response, (or) post #10?
Neither, they are both true.
1) If something is proven to be false, I will not continue to believe that it's true.
2) Absolutely nothing would make me no longer believe in Christianity because I know, for a fact, that it's true. Just like I know, for a fact, that the chair I'm sitting in will support me.
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