What Happens when Oil Runs Out?

All peachy, but you still need a source of energy to charge the batteries and make the hydrogen. And nuclear energy is filled with problems.

And you still need materials for all the batteries, which is limited in supply.

Radrook said:

So you are saying that it would not significantly cut down on pollution?

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According to NREL, nearly half the gasoline / petroleum light vehicle fleet could be charged on overnight off-peak excess electricity. That is wasted electricity that can then be used to displace about a quarter of oil use. (Gasoline is 50%, diesel is 50%, and so half gasoline is 25%). If they crank up the power plants they'll burn more coal and gas, and could charge 86% of the gasoline light vehicle fleet. That would displace most of your gasoline use, but cause more pollution at the point of electricity generation. However, that might even be worth it to break the backs of big oil. And as the electricity grid is cleaned up, America would gradually turn into a completely blue skies, pollution free zone.
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Radrook said:

Sounds good. However, unfortunately, to accomplish it we would need a global effort.

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Not really: climate change is global, but this thread is about oil depletion. Different nations can wean off oil at different rates. EG: Average oil use in Europe is half that of America.

For example, China's cooperation is essential in order to keep our air clean since a significant percentage of its burgeoning industrial smog winds up in the USA via wind currents.
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CHINA – UNITED STATES China's air pollution hits United States

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But there will be health benefits as local sources of pollution are cleaned up. Some media sources demonise China's obvious crisis with pollution at the expense of understanding the scientifically verified death toll from local pollution. You make some good points about China's pollution not just being China's problem, but there are going to be cleaner skies in America as energy gets cleaned up.

If/when the oil runs out, a new earth will be created.

There is no point exploring utter rubbish "alternative energy sources" that is not demanded by the free market in order to save "the earth".

Matthew 24:35:
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

1 Corinthians 15:24:
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


I mean what is the point here? God is going to utterly destroy the entire earth and create a new one. He wants christians concerned with the stuff that is ETERNAL. The earth is NOT eternal, souls are ETERNAL. We need to turn off the teLIEvision/HELLvision and concern ourselves with the stuff that is ETERNAL like saving souls....not the earth.

Have you all not read when Jesus killed more than 2000 swine without a second thought or when the 1/3 of the grassland was burned up in Revelation?

morse86 said:

If/when the oil runs out, a new earth will be created.

There is no point exploring utter rubbish "alternative energy sources" that is not demanded by the free market in order to save "the earth".

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Americans in certain states may not be demanding them, but the rest of the world is. Demand for renewables is growing at about 3% per year, twice the pace of demand for fossil fuel based power sources.

Renewables now account for 22% of global energy production. The IAE projects that by 2020 this will reach 26%, based on projects already underway.

Gene2memE said:

Americans in certain states may not be demanding them, but the rest of the world is. Demand for renewables is growing at about 3% per year, twice the pace of demand for fossil fuel based power sources.

Renewables now account for 22% of global energy production. The IAE projects that by 2020 this will reach 26%, based on projects already underway.

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How about some sources to backup your utterly rubbish claim? Rest of the world is demanding renewable at 3% per year? Unbelievable.

By sources, I mean first hand sources open to the public, not some obscure subscription based journal and definitely not some tabloid magazine article.

Radrook said:

Sounds good. However, unfortunately, to accomplish it we would need a global effort. For example, China's cooperation is essential in order to keep our air clean since a significant percentage of its burgeoning industrial smog winds up in the USA via wind currents.

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There is massive internal pressure in China to get out of fossil fuels (particularly coal, because of the smog) and into renewables - hence the expansion of hydro, wind and solar since the early 2000s.

China gets about 22% of its power from renewables and is aiming at 30% by 2020.

Forget the Paris accord, China has been cutting its coal consumption for the last three years all on its own.

morse86 said:

How about some sources to backup your utterly rubbish claim? Rest of the world is demanding renewable at 3% per year? Unbelievable.

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International Energy Outlook 2016-World energy demand and economc outlook - Energy Information Administration

Gene2memE said:

There is massive internal pressure in China to get out of fossil fuels (particularly coal, because of the smog) and into renewables - hence the expansion of hydro, wind and solar since the early 2000s.

China gets about 22% of its power from renewables and is aiming at 30% by 2020.

Forget the Paris accord, China has been cutting its coal consumption for the last three years all on its own.

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What the....have you confirmed how China gets it's 22% from renewables or how it will reach 30% by 2020? Either wise, it is utter rubbish.

Please, go and confirm the study first. Verify the facts.

Gene2memE said:

International Energy Outlook 2016-World energy demand and economc outlook - Energy Information Administration

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Do you know what a meta analysis is in science? It takes a bunch of studies and "counts" for certain correlations.
In that tabloid magazine article, I did not see a single first hand source. It was all second hand sources where each of the countries were reporting on a macro scale. So they have to report favorably to get the "funding". What a bunch of rubbish.

Please get a real science article and source it.

morse86 said:

If/when the oil runs out, a new earth will be created.

There is no point exploring utter rubbish "alternative energy sources" that is not demanded by the free market in order to save "the earth".

Matthew 24:35:
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

1 Corinthians 15:24:
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


I mean what is the point here? God is going to utterly destroy the entire earth and create a new one. He wants christians concerned with the stuff that is ETERNAL. The earth is NOT eternal, souls are ETERNAL. We need to turn off the teLIEvision/HELLvision and concern ourselves with the stuff that is ETERNAL like saving souls....not the earth.

Have you all not read when Jesus killed more than 2000 swine without a second thought or when the 1/3 of the grassland was burned up in Revelation?

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You're suffering from Eschatological Escapism. Yes, one day God will renew creation. But because we don't know when that will be, we have a duty to protect his world both because it's his and he loves it, and because love for neighour demands we don't destroy their ability to farm, or live in a beautiful environment.

Also, you still haven't answered the questions I put to you about Romans 13.

Also: you insisted autonomous cars are a myth
"The National" News: robot-cars = death of auto industry!

I replied
"The National" News: robot-cars = death of auto industry!

You do realise that this is what the INTERNATIONAL ENERGY AGENCY does, right? It studies energy use, generation and sources and them publishes reports on this.

Basically, that's all they do. They're people that do this - not "scientists".

That outlook is not a meta analysis, it's not a study. It's not a magazine article. It doesn't come from a tabloid.

Nothing in It determines any funding. Funding from who and where anyway?

It's a survey report and forward outlook. It's based on national reporting statistics and declared/funded energy projects.

I'll not pretend it's perfect, all of these reports operate within a given margin of error. However, the IEA had historically been very accurate in their forecasts, particularly their short - term outlooks, which primarily deal with very few unknown variables.

Oh, and the Chinese data for that 22% came from their own National Energy Administration. And it's probably a little dated now, as the last data I have was for 2015.

But, when presented with facts that are inconvenient, then cast doubt on the facts.

Tell me, what projection for renewable energy generation growth are you using?

Gene2memE said:

You do realise that this is what the INTERNATIONAL ENERGY AGENCY does, right? It studies energy use, generation and sources and them publishes reports on this.

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I'm with you on the IEA, not sure I'm with you on renewables. It can grow, but it can't do 100%. Not yet anyway.

morse86 said:

If/when the oil runs out, a new earth will be created.

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Assume for a moment that you are correct about the new earth. How do you know it won't be many years after oil runs out?

There is no point exploring utter rubbish "alternative energy sources" that is not demanded by the free market in order to save "the earth".

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Suppose my children will need energy, and there will be no cheap oil left for them. How are they supposed to gear up for a new world with a different energy source, if we don't work on it now? Wouldn't it be easier to do it while there is still oil?

Matthew 24:35:
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

1 Corinthians 15:24:
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

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I don't see where that says the end will come before cheap oil runs out. Can you show me where it says that?

I mean what is the point here? God is going to utterly destroy the entire earth and create a new one.

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I see. And what is the point of buying groceries for next week?

If there is a point in buying groceries, and my children are going to need energy to get groceries, then I think there might be a point in asking how they will get energy.

He wants christians concerned with the stuff that is ETERNAL. The earth is NOT eternal,

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And he doesn't want Christians to be concerned with groceries?

souls are ETERNAL. We need to turn off the teLIEvision/HELLvision and concern ourselves with the stuff that is ETERNAL like saving souls....not the earth.

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Would you like to save my soul? If so, I would be glad to start a thread to see what you have to offer.

Have you all not read when Jesus killed more than 2000 swine without a second thought or when the 1/3 of the grassland was burned up in Revelation?

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I don't think it is right to kill somebody else's pigs without their permission. Do you?

doubtingmerle said:

I don't see where that says the end will come before cheap oil runs out. Can you show me where it says that?

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You're version of the bible probably doesn't say it because it's "Satanic".
Except the KJV didn't seem to explain away the "Satanic" problems he was having with Romans 13 from the "Satanic" NIV, so ...

morse86 said:

If/when the oil runs out, a new earth will be created.

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Absolute hogwash! The bible simply does not say this.

I think you're making the bible more "ETERNAL" in focus than it really is. Yes, the gospel is there, front and centre! But NO, we don't get to just washing our hands of this creation while we're here. Ever consider the following 3 points on the environment from the OT?

The ancient law of Israel had many provisions to guard the natural environment. The agrarian structure of their society made it obvious that the environment mattered. One example: "When you lay siege to a city for a long time, fighting against it to capture it, do not destroy its trees by putting an axe to them, because you can eat their fruit. Do not cut them down. Are the trees of the field people, that you should besiege them?" [Deut. 20:19] Although some concession is made in v20 to cut down some trees, there is the recognition here that human concerns do not justify wholesale environmental destruction. Similarly, various laws protect some animals (e.g. Ex. 20:10; Deut. 22:1-4, 25:4), although human "rule' of animals is never far from view.

In the Proverbs, we see again the way that created things have an order that is to be respected. "A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal" [12:10]. This order can, in some instances, remind us that we too are part of an order something bigger than us, and don't just get to invent how to live. "Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer " How long will you lie there, you sluggard?" [6:6-9] In Proverbs, real wisdom begins with knowing and "fearing' God. The wise person knows that the structures of our lives are all created, sustained and nurtured by God's just and kind rule. The wise person knows where they fit in God's world. They know how to respond to God, to others, and to God's world.

Some parts of the Bible simply revel in God's exuberant creation and abundant care of his world. At these points, the focus is off humanity and has moved to a simple celebration of God's genius. So Psalm 104 retells the story of creation from God "setting the earth on foundations' [v5] through to his giving food to all the teeming creatures of the earth [v27] and recreating them in life whenever death strikes [v30]. In Job 38-40, God himself storms into confrontation with the complaining Job, and drives home the point that there is a great deal going on in the world that humans will never know. It simply pleases God to care for animals in his own way. "Do you know when the mountain goats give birth? Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn?" [39:1] "Does the eagle soar at your command and build his nest on high?" [39:24] God has his own way with animals, for his own good pleasure, many details of which will never be known to humanity.
This is an extract from the SIE brochure ‘Environment: a Christian response’

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And Chinese research into passive safety Molten Salt Reactors is world leading, and they have other breeder nukes they'll mass produce cheaper than coal in just 5 years!
China seriously looking at supercritical water cooled reactors – they could be low cost enough to get China to stop building new coal starting in 2025 | NextBigFuture.com

These are the facts

----we dont really know how long oil will last
----there has been speculation of peek oil running out for the last 50 year-
--we are in a better position for oil independence in 50 yrs
----we are currently producing more oil than US has produced in its history
-----gas at the pump is down half to 2$
----oil price per barrel is down half to 50$
-----just 10-15 years ago they said we had peaked and oil could be running out..and the worle panicking
-----we have doubled oil production int texas and the us in only 8 years
----arabia tried to put frackers out of business by overproduction of oil and lowering the price
This did not lower oil production in the US
----cost of fracking has gone down 80-90% in recnt years
----- fracking has made the differerence and will continue
---1 fracked well produces 1000-1500 bpday
Compred to regular well of 50 bpd
---us has passed arabia in oil and gas production
----this has helped turn our economy around
----in 5 years??? Us will be exporting oil??
----in 5-10years US will be energy independent with only oil from America(s america, mexico, and canada)

-----for the next 20-30 years this trend will continue