WHAT HAPPENS TO THE UNREPENTANT WICKED AFTER THE 2ND COMING?

Tim Ray said:

LGW, I'm not understanding your last statement.

What do you want me to put into my own words?

I've always thought Mr. Wilson to be very good at making issues easy to understand. He considers himself a teacher rather than a preacher. Therefore, he writes and speaks so all can easily follow his reasoning, and as you have seen in the post, offers up many supporting texts.

Let me know what portion exactly, of his post, you are not understanding, so I can be of better help.

FYI, after reading it for the first time, I was greatly blessed. Why? Because it magnified the love of the Godhead even more than what I previously understood. Yes, I understood God/Trinity was love. But love is not a mere word, love must be an action. We must show love in how we treat one another, which calls for action.

When I understood that each member of the Godhead was willing to give up two thirds of their power to the other two for the benefit of their creation, for all of eternity, before they created anything is an act of Love. Wow!

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Tim Ray said:

LGW, ok, that makes sense, misunderstanding on my side of the globe.

A little recap, I had asked you in an earlier post, “Do you understand God’s purpose in writing the Book of Life?” Your response was: “I believe according to the scriptures that the book of life is the record of God's saints that have passed from death to life who have overcome sin and the world and have washed their robes in the blood of the lamb.”

Your response addresses your understanding of what’s in the book, not why it was written. Therefore, prayerfully consider the following insights as an answer to the question.

White Throne Judgment Revelation 20:11-21:1

Beginning Point in Time: When the 1,000 Years Are Over and New Jerusalem Rests on Earth

Ending Point in Time: Soon after the Creation of a New Heaven and Earth

According to infinite wisdom and unfailing love for new worlds that will be created millions of years later, the Father wants to prove a point at the end of sin’s drama that is very important. The Father wants everyone to see what He foreknew before the creation of life. Therefore, He will break the seventh seal and display the contents of The Book of Life at the end of the 1,000 years. The universe will see that The Book of Life is a perfect mirror of the record books which angels recorded in real time. This amazing revelation will prove two points. First, the Father has perfect foreknowledge. He knows the end from the beginning. Before any life was created, He foreknew who would choose salvation and who would not, both in Heaven and on Earth, and He wrote it down. Second, God can be trusted to separate His foreknowledge from His love. In other words, the Father will not use His perfect foreknowledge to protect the Godhead from harm and He will not manipulate the choices of His children to satisfy His objectives. He will prove to the universe that He will not violate the will of His children even though He foreknows the outcome. God can be trusted completely! His commitment to the principles of love prevents Him from using His foreknowledge to manipulate His subjects.

According to infinite wisdom and love, the Father predetermined that Lucifer and his demons should remain alive until the end of the 1,000 years. By allowing them to live, the fruits of sin will be allowed to mature. Eventually, God will address each argument that Lucifer used to lead one-third of the angels into rebellion. (Remember, the drama with sin is far more encompassing than events on Earth.) The demons that followed Lucifer will clearly see that Lucifer lied to them. Even when they were confronted with the truth, they willfully chose to believe Lucifer’s lies rather than surrender to God’s authority and truth. Going forward through eternity, it will be necessary and important to review this confrontation so that sin’s ugly pall never rises again. Pure, sinless, holy beings can fall and have fallen twice because rebellion falsely promised short term gains. Submission to God’s infinite wisdom is not always easy for intelligent beings, but finite beings must remember who is infinite and who is not. There is no hint of evil in God. To know God is to love God. He has generously provided a thousand answers about Himself and His plans if we are willing to search for them.

Rev. 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.6.

{11} At the end of the 1,000 years, the Holy City will descend from Heaven. Shortly afterwards, every wicked person that once lived on Earth will be resurrected and restored to life. I saw a great white throne and Jesus was seated on it. His glory was so great that Earth and sky were not visible. {12} The wicked were speechless. They stood before Jesus and His throne, both great and small, and a record of each life was opened for review and the wicked were informed of their sentence. Each was sentenced according to what he had done. During the 1,000 years, the saints will sit in judgment with Jesus. They will review the records of the wicked and determine the amount of suffering that each will have to suffer. Please notice that the saints do not determine who will be saved and lost. Jesus, according to the authority given to Him, made this determination prior to the Second Coming. Therefore, the judgment conducted by the saints during the 1,000 years has nothing to do with salvation. The judgment is limited to the matter of restitution. When the wicked are raised from their graves, they will be given the sentences which the saints determined. Later, another book will be opened. The seventh seal will be broken on The Book of Life and the contents will be made known to everyone. Amazingly, The Book of Life (written by the Father before life was created) will perfectly mirror the books of record (written by the angels in real time).

This great day will never be duplicated again. Everyone who lived on Earth during its 6,000 year history will be alive and present. Sin’s drama will come to a close with every sinner in attendance. The saints (those who overcame sin through faith in Jesus) will observe the Great White Throne event from the walls of the Holy City. Down below and surrounding the Holy City, there will be a numberless multitude of wicked people. The wicked surrounding the city will include those who were thrown alive into the lake of fire (a sea of fire) at the Second Coming,10 and everyone else whom God could not save.

Rev. 20:13-15
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

{13} Hades (the grave) gave up every person who had died. Thus, everyone who lived on Earth during the 6,000 years of sin was present and accounted for. After Jesus explained why he could not save each wicked person, each of the wicked was sentenced according to what he had done to others. {14} Then, all of the wicked (including Lucifer and his demons) were thrown into the lake of fire and the lake of fire burns them up. The wicked die the second death, a death from which there is no hope of resurrection. {15} If anyone’s name was not found written in The Book of Life, he was thrown alive into the lake of fire by a God of love!

At this point, we should briefly review four concepts: First, the Bible says that the penalty for sin is death, not living in hell forever.11 Death is a state of silence, where there is no thought, action or awareness.12 Second, a God of love is always just and fair. He will not punish someone with infinite torture because no crime merits infinite torment. His law of love limits punishment to a life for a life, a bruise for a bruise, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. God will not exceed them. Third, the fires of hell cannot burn forever!13 After restitution has been extracted from the wicked, they must die. Mercifully, it is the second death that will last forever because, never again, will there be a place for sin and sinners in God’s universe. Finally, it is important to understand that the saints will not see their loved ones writhing around in the flames of hell for eternity because the wicked will perish and become “ashes.” The fires of hell will come to an end and Jesus will create a new Heaven and Earth. The former things will pass away and Jesus will establish a new world order. He will wipe away all tears. All attachments with the wicked will end. The meek will inherit the Earth and live happily ever after, yes forever and ever!

{21:1} Then I saw Jesus create a new Heaven and a new Earth, for the first Heaven and the first Earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea (or lake of fire).14

The Rules of Interpretation

Consider how the Rules of Interpretation (discussed in the Introduction of this book) are observed in this prophecy:

Rule One says an apocalyptic prophecy has a beginning point
and ending point in time and the events within the prophecy occur in the order given. This prophecy conforms to Rule One because Revelation 20:11 starts a new prophecy. Chronologically speaking, verse 11 does not follow verse 10, so a new prophecy begins. The chronological order in this prophecy is self evident.

1. A great white throne becomes visible
2. The wicked of all ages stand before Jesus
3. The wicked are burned up
4. God creates a new Heaven and a new Earth

Rule Two says a fulfillment only occurs when all of the specifications are met, and this includes the order stated in the prophecy. There is a profound point in this prophecy that many people overlook. A lake of fire will be created at the Second Coming.15 This lake of fire will burn during the 1,000 years.16 At the end of the 1,000 years, God will cast the wicked of all ages alive into this fire.17 No one is in hell today. The wicked are not punished before the saints pass judgment on them and they are resurrected to face their Creator!18

Rule Three says that apocalyptic language can be literal, analogous, or symbolic. To reach the intended meaning of a prophecy, the reader must consider (a) the context, (b) the use of parallel language in the Bible, and (c) if an element is thought to be symbolic, the Bible must interpret the symbol with a relevant text. The language used in this prophecy is not symbolic because there are no relevant texts defining a symbol. On the other hand, we find liberal use of analogous and literal language. For example, death and Hades (the grave) will be thrown into the lake of fire.19 Personi fication is used to describe the end of sin’s curse. Paul says, “The last enemy to be destroyed is death.”20 Of course, when death is no more, the grave will not be necessary. Thus, death and the grave will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

Rule Four says, but not used in this prophecy. The presence or absence of the Jubilee Calendar determines how God measures time. If a prophetic time period occurs during the operation of the Jubilee Calendar (1437 B.C. - 1994), time is translated as a day for a year; otherwise, translation is not permitted. (See Appendix A for further study of the Jubilee Calendar.)

References:

1. Without realizing it, many Christians treat Luke 16:19-31 as a fact instead of a parable. This puts the Bible in a state of internal conflict because the Bible does not teach opposing concepts.
   
2. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
   
3. Deuteronomy 6:4; Malachi 3:6; 1 Timothy 2:5,6
   
4. 1 John 4:8,16; John 3:16
   
5. Malachi 1:14; 3:6; Hebrews 13:8
   
6. Luke 6:30; Obadiah 1:15; Romans 12:19
   
7. 1 Corinthians 6:1-3; Revelation 20:6
   
8. Ecclesiastes 12:14; 2 Corinthians 5:10 The Bible indicates that angels in Heaven record every aspect of human behavior. (Daniel 7:9,10; Malachi 3:16; Revelation 20:12.) This explains why books of record are used to judge the dead prior to the Second Coming. Jesus will also use these same books to silence any discrepancy a wicked person might have when he receives his sentence at the end of the 1,000 years. In other words, if a wicked person claims that God’s judgment of him is unfair, Jesus will present the evidence that He used when making His determination. Since these records exist, God has evidently enabled certain angels to be impartial observers and chroniclers of human conduct. Their job is to record the words, thoughts, and actions of every person (including Lucifer and the angels that were cast out of Heaven) and their work is represented in the Bible as books of record. (I am sure Heaven uses a technology that is far greater than books or video duplication, but I am sure you understand the concept.) If such angels do not exist and God Himself is the recorder of human conduct, a conflict of interest occurs, because the Judge uses records that He wrote as the basis for His judgment. Therefore, it seems fair and reasonable to conclude that God has assigned intelligent angels to serve as third-party observers of human conduct. If so, these angels have nothing to gain or lose. Their job is to simply record the facts. This arrangement aligns with a generous God of light who exalts principles of love, who does nothing shady, who has nothing to hide, and has done everything possible to save each sinner.
9. Isaiah 45:18-24
   
10. Revelation 19:20; 20:10
    
11. Romans 6:23
    
12. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6; Psalm 115:17
    
13. Malachi 4:3
    
14. John says “there was no more sea” after the first Heaven and first Earth passed away. John uses two different Greek words thalassa (sea) and limne (lake) in two consecutive verses and this has caused some confusion. (Revelation 20:15; Revelation 21:1) Evidently, John uses the word thalassas (sea) in Revelation 21:1 instead of limne (lake) because the lake of fire engulfs the whole world at the very end. Thus, the first Earth passes away and is totally destroyed by fire. John’s use of two different words so it can be seen as progressive, that is, the lake (of fire) becomes a sea (of fire). This fire destroys the elements
    of the first Heaven and the first Earth. (2 Peter 3:12) Compare the use of thalassas and limne in Matthew 4:18, Mark 1:16 and John 6:17 with Luke 5:1 and 8:22,23.
    
15. Revelation 19:20
    
16. Revelation 20:10
    
17. Revelation 20:15
    
18. For more information on what happens when a person dies, please see Chapter 13 in my book, Jesus: The Alpha and The Omega or download this chapter at: http://www. wake-up.org/Alpha/Chapter13.htm.
    
19. Revelation 20:14
    
20. 1 Corinthians 15:26

Taken from, Jesus Final Victory, Author: Larry Wilson

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Larry Wilson wrote: "Rule Two says a fulfillment only occurs when all of the specifications are met, and this includes the order stated in the prophecy. There is a profound point in this prophecy that many people overlook. A lake of fire will be created at the Second Coming. 15 This lake of fire will burn during the 1,000 years.16 At the end of the 1,000 years, God will cast the wicked of all ages alive into this fire.17 No one is in hell today. The wicked are not punished before the saints pass judgment on them and they are resurrected to face their Creator!18"

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Tim Ray said:

LGW, you said: “The wicked that are alive will be killed by fire *2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 at the second coming.” I don’t believe the Bible conveys that, and here is why. Paul is tellings his followers that when Jesus comes at His second coming in all his glory, (Paul describes it as, “when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels”) (NIV) In (Rev. 19:11-21) John describes the coming of Christ, in vs.12, “His[Jesus] eyes are like blazing fire.” Again, in reference to Christ glory. So, Paul like John is not saying the wicked will be burned up at Christ second coming, but rather, Christ will be coming in brilliant glory, as a blazing fire.

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Tim Ray said:

If it were as you say, you create a internal conflict with the same texts I just referenced (Rev.19:11-21). Because within these texts John says the wicked will be destroyed at Christ second coming by the sharp sword [command to die] which comes out of Jesus’s mouth, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. However, at this same time, (the second coming) the beast [having seven heads and ten horns,(Rev. 13] and the false prophet were thrown in into a fiery lake of burning sulfur.

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Tim Ray said:

Now, adding more detail from the same prophecy (Rev.19:11 -20:10) (Rev. 20:7) says. “When the thousand years were over, Satan will be release from his prison[spirit realm] to deceive the nations. Vs 10, and the devil who deceived the nations was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, were the beast and the false prophet had been thrown…”

Question, would it be possible to throw Satan into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown, if that fire were not still burning at the end of the thousand years?

If that fire had gone out, and another fire started, it could not be said, that they were thrown into the same fire the false prophet and beast were thrown, would you agree?

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Tim Ray said:

LGW, yes, I'm 100% in agreement with your statement.

Lets move on shall we? Would like to know more about you personally. Tell me how it is that you are Adventist? What did you do for a living? Do you have other interest besides this forum? Are you married or widowed?

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Tim Ray said:

Everybody has a story, and I love to hear them just as much as people love to tell them. I can't remember ever not knowing about Jesus. My mother was religious my father was not. Went to a nondenominational church growing up. Typical church goer, no prayer life or bible study. Even less while I spent two years in the service.

Got back into the church when I married my first wife, she and her mother out of a family of six were the only ones who went to church, Methodist. Her dad was a alcoholic. We divorced after two children and nine years.

Two and a half years of night clubing and no religion I found my second wife. No, it wasn't in a night club! Met during a community fund raiser for the hospital of which she was employed as a RN, in surgery. Single, never married, she was 23, I was 33. She was very religious, had a prayer and a devotional life, and active in her church, nondenominational. We were married in six months. No, we did not have to get married! We attended her church after marrying.

About five months into our marriage some friends, a married Adventist couple paid us a visit. I had met the girls during my night clubing days, and we continued on in our friendship, but with spouses.
During our visit they mentioned that their church was conducting a Revelation seminar and asked if we would be interested in attending. We said yes, and found it very educational. We were baptized into the Adventist church at the end of the seminar. That was thirty seven years ago.

Since that time my faith has matured in Christ, and my spiritual gift is the study of apocalyptic prophecy. That gift is what got me into the Revelation Seminar. We were members of the Battle Creek Tabernacle for twenty years. This as you may know was where Adventism got it's start. Mrs. White and many founding fathers lived and are buried there in Oak Hill cemetery.

How about the other questions?

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Tim Ray said:

LGW, I just posted a new thread. Under Theology(christians only) Subject: the seven headed, ten horn beast of Rev.13. Consider shareing you insights.

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Tim Ray said:

LGW, I just posted a new thread. Under Theology(christians only) Subject: the seven headed, ten horn beast of Rev.13. Consider shareing you insights.

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Sammy-San said:

Are they apostates like the fallen angels?

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Agallagher said:

They are outside Gods City, in the darkness where they desired to be in the first place. Gods city has gates that never closes the outsiders out completely away. The ending chapter concludes this message. Revelation 22.

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