You are replying to a post that says, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries." by saying "Your bible version is horrible. No offense, but its a awful. Now...That verse from Hebrews you chose does not say in the Greek.."if we go on sinning". It says, if we sin WILLFULLY, there remains no more sacrifice."
Are you okay??
if i were to repent right now and not sin ever again would God take me back
All what you said is accurate. But by the sound of it you probably don't believe in conditional salvation. But this verse bears repeating:
"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries."
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There is such a thing as people falling away from the faith.
To this I might also add verse 29 and 31 of the same chapter: "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? (31) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
John makes two statements in 1 John 3:8,9 that gives more clarification here: "He that committeth sin is of the devil...(9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin." What is the difference between the two? It's simple. John 16:7,8 -- "Nevertheless, I [Jesus] tell you the truth. It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (8) And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment." He who is born of God is he who has been born again by the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (reference Matthew 3:11), thereby receiving the Spirit of God, who will not lead you into sin because one of his functions is to reprove it. He who knowingly sins (especially repeatedly) does so without the Spirit of God, in other words, by the direction of the devil. We know that one who has the Spirit of God can sin because it happened with King Saul (1 Samuel 10:11, 16:14), who had sinned twice before the Spirit of God departed from him. Because we are constantly at odds with evil (Ephesians 6:12), we are always susceptible to sin. After Jesus was baptized and received the Holy Ghost (Luke 3:22) He was tempted by the devil in the wilderness during his forty day fast. Though he did not sin (obviously), the devil nonetheless knew that people who had the Spirit of God still had to contend with the lust of the flesh. Though the Spirit of God overcomes that, if you make a decision to give into sin, as in the case of Saul, the Holy Spirit will depart from you.
Our "sin" is on the Cross, it died with Jesus...... He died "for the sin of the world".
We the born again, are the "righteousness of God in Christ"..
This never changes., because WE didnt cause it.....we are MADE by GOD, into, ""the Righteousness of God in Christ.""
God does that, did that, and maintains that, for us... forever. "The GIFT of Righteousness".
Philippians 1:6 (read it).
We are "IN CHRIST">...and there is no sin in Christ..found....as we are IN THERE, and Christ is in us.
So, then,..... what if you backslide, and begin to live a carnal horrible life?
Ok, 5 things can happen, and will.
1st,) you will never be judged in Eternity for any sin, because GOD has already judged CHRIST for them ALL, on the CROSS, on EARTH.
2nd.) Romans 4:8.. Is a blessing for the Born again....>its says that God will never charge you for your sin. And how can He? He has already judged Jesus on the CROSS for them ALL.
3.) Reaping and Sowing is a spiritual Law, that is in progress at all times. It brings one thing.... CONSEQUENCE....So, if you behave badly once, or if you behave badly and stay there, you will harvest a consequence for your DEED. See, what we do is a spiritual SEED, that we plant by DEEDS into the Spiritual Realm. And the end result is CONSEQUENCE.
Your DEEDs are spiritual seeds...... plant GOOD ones, only.
4.) Hebrews 12:6. This will find you no matter if you backslide or try to do your best all the time. God will deal with you, as His Child, but not in Judgment, but in "correction".
5.) Paul says, that if you live in sin, persist, won't stop....wont be corrected...after a time, you will DIE.
So, while there is no "sin" in Christ, and no Judgement for our sin in eternity for the born again believer, there is a lot that can harm you on EARTH, based on you living a CARNAL LIFE.
In this life - both the good and the bad die. It is the saints that then go one to live forever after that - because only they take part in the "first resurrection" of Rev 20.
Christ warns such a person as you describe that they are on the wide road that does not lead to life. only the narrow road leads to eternal life in Matthew 7 -- according to Christ.
In Romans 2:4-16 we see the same contrast - it is the "doers" that are going to heaven in Romans 2:13 - not merely the hearers only.
We see the same thing in 1 Cor 6 and it is preceded by "do not be deceived".
We see the same thing in Romans 11 where "you stand only by our faith .. do not be boastful but rather fear - for if He did not spare them (the fallen Jews) He will not spare you either"
We see the same thing in Matthew 18 with "forgiveness revoked". "I forgave you all that debt because you asked me" -- is followed by "turn him over to the torturers until he should repay is full debt"
I've taken the liberty of translating parts of your post into 21st Century English (you know, the kind that we read, write, and speak)...
"How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?"
"The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God."
I'm not going to bother with the rest. I am asking that you don't post in code, but in English. Thanks.
Thank you for that, but you can keep it. One can read my version (that is, the KJV), and yours side by side, and still understand, so why the need to force a translation. If you choose to use a different translation, fine, but I think here mine is sufficient. Your problem here is not with me, but with the Word. Regardless of what version you use, if the Spirit of God is in you, you ought to come to the same understanding (1 Corinthians 2:14-15; John 14:26), and if it is not in you, then...Romans 8:9. Have a good one.
Our "sin" is on the Cross, it died with Jesus...... He died "for the sin of the world".
We the born again, are the "righteousness of God in Christ"..
This never changes., because WE didnt cause it.....we are MADE by GOD, into, ""the Righteousness of God in Christ.""
God does that, did that, and maintains that, for us... forever. "The GIFT of Righteousness".
Philippians 1:6 (read it).
We are "IN CHRIST">...and there is no sin in Christ..found....as we are IN THERE, and Christ is in us.
So, then,..... what if you backslide, and begin to live a carnal horrible life?
Ok, 5 things can happen, and will.
1st,) you will never be judged in Eternity for any sin, because GOD has already judged CHRIST for them ALL, on the CROSS, on EARTH.
2nd.) Romans 4:8.. Is a blessing for the Born again....>its says that God will never charge you for your sin. And how can He? He has already judged Jesus on the CROSS for them ALL.
3.) Reaping and Sowing is a spiritual Law, that is in progress at all times. It brings one thing.... CONSEQUENCE....So, if you behave badly once, or if you behave badly and stay there, you will harvest a consequence for your DEED. See, what we do is a spiritual SEED, that we plant by DEEDS into the Spiritual Realm. And the end result is CONSEQUENCE.
Your DEEDs are spiritual seeds...... plant GOOD ones, only.
4.) Hebrews 12:6. This will find you no matter if you backslide or try to do your best all the time. God will deal with you, as His Child, but not in Judgment, but in "correction".
5.) Paul says, that if you live in sin, persist, won't stop....wont be corrected...after a time, you will DIE.
So, while there is no "sin" in Christ, and no Judgement for our sin in eternity for the born again believer, there is a lot that can harm you on EARTH, based on you living a CARNAL LIFE.
Is that why Jesus said that He would not lose any of the "sheep" that were given to Him?
Thank you for that, but you can keep it. One can read my version (that is, the KJV), and yours side by side, and still understand, so why the need to force a translation. If you choose to use a different translation, fine, but I think here mine is sufficient. Your problem here is not with me, but with the Word. Regardless of what version you use, if the Spirit of God is in you, you ought to come to the same understanding (1 Corinthians 2:14-15; John 14:26), and if it is not in you, then...Romans 8:9. Have a good one.
Salvation is to be with God. To be closed off from God is torment. But how does someone Square their Injustice that they seem to impute to God when they shall only say that they will work and they do not and they condemn those that say they will not work and yet they do?
context.
What is the context of the verse?
See, you have to do more then just quote verses.
The context of "sin willfully", in Hebrews Chapter 4 & 6., is : HEBREW CHRIST REJECTORS.
So, if they "go on rejecting Christ, (sinning WILLFULLY) then these unsaved Hebrews (Jews) will have forsaken the Cross, which defines them as DAMNED.... Just as the Apostle Paul is telling them...
Here is the verse that shows you their issue...
John 3:36
Seen any unicorns recently? Do a word search in the KJV to find the word used in several places.
BTW, why aren't you communicating online in 17th Century English? That's what we all speak, hear, and understand. There is no need to translate archaic English in our minds to the way we think/read/write/speak today but that is what you must do when you're reading the KJV.
And again I say, Romans 8:9. Just because you don't understand the KJV doesn't mean others shouldn't or can't use it. The dexterity it takes to understand a text not written in script with which we are familiar is simply evidence of the Holy Ghost's teaching power. Don't be mad at me if you don't have it.
Gee, those are some (invalid) assumptions. I understand the KJV Englyshe perfectly, which is why I don't use such an archaic translation. (And why you don't write your posts in 17th Century English?) BTW, I do own a KJV and the (better) Geneva Bible (1599 edition).
The earliest texts were written in the common languages of the time: ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and koine Greek. By the time Jesus came to Earth, very few Jews understood the ancient Hebrew; that is the reason the Septuagint was created: the Bible was meant to be understood in a plain language that most people understood.
Your statement that, "The dexterity it takes to understand a text not written in script with which we are familiar is simply evidence of the Holy Ghost's teaching power." is exactly the reason that people should not use the KJV! There is no obfuscation by the Holy Spirit in understanding God's word -- the way that it was written.
You try to separate yourself from the rest of us by your "secret" knowledge; that is just your ego. It has no truth in it.
Agayne, forsooth, whye don't ye speak and wryte in olde Englyshe? Your post, mine, and everybody else's are understandable precisely because they're written in modern English. The Bible is not written to be difficult to read and understand.
Good Day, Pescador
I agree the 1599 is much better English translation...
I must admit I do have a soft spot for a translation done by a bunch of High Calvinist at the order of a King who runs a church under the authority and power of his own government ... just becasue he does not like the non-conformist.
In Him,
Bill
What happens if we live a carnal Christian life? Are you asking if after someone has found salvation and repentance through Christ and then chooses to live carnally without repenting?
A true Christian that has come to repentance (we all know, a change of heart and a new way of thinking) cannot live a carnal Christian life.
The salvation is always there. Christ didnt' fail, it's people that fail and choose to walk away.
Upon true repentance, we can be forgiven. We are always going to sin and fall short) (1st John) but we have an advocate in Christ.
But repentance and change of heart must happen.
Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
e, NOT an ongoing perfect “ repentance record
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