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What happened to Dan?

G4m

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I was wondering if anyone could help me with why Manasseh has replaced Dan in the 12 tribes in Rev 7 and 14, in contrast to Gen 49. I can see why Manasseh was the replacement but why was Dan replaced? The closest thing I can find is what Jeroboam used Dan (but also bethel) for:

1 Kings 12
29 And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.
30 And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.

Which seemed to be a complete replacement of God with idols.

Amos 8
14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

But I can't understand if the Danites are being held responsible for the sins comitted at the geographic location Dan.
 

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Take notice that all throughout the Bible there are instances where one or another tribe might be left out. It is a christian teaching that possibly the reason is due to the Anti-Christ coming from the Tribe of Dan. I don't see this a viable for a number of different reasons, but it is a common belief in Christianity.

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Mikhael said:
Take notice that all throughout the Bible there are instances where one or another tribe might be left out. It is a christian teaching that possibly the reason is due to the Anti-Christ coming from the Tribe of Dan. I don't see this a viable for a number of different reasons, but it is a common belief in Christianity.

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Can you give me some references to this?

Was there any specific reasons for a tribe to be left out?
 
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simchat_torah said:
Ive heard it... because, heck... obviously the antichrist will be Jewish, right?

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Alot of people think the next temple will be anti-christ or should I say unholy.
I ask those kind of people if the next temple will be the temple of G-d and is it holy? Most of them answer saying G-d did away with the temple and it's sacrifice but if the anti-christ comes and desicrates it,how can you desicrate something thats not Holy? For years I heve believed there wouldn't be an actual person who comes and is called an anti-christ but I read something a couple days ago that changed my mind.

The question of where Dan is doesn't bother me as near as much as the question of where Ephraim is.Personally I believe Dan{judgement} is judging Ephraim.
 
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