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Now this is an interesting belief.
What is different between doing this in person or on twitter?
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Now this is an interesting belief.Twitter is not, or should not be serious business. It's not required social media. People taking the mickey out of you on it is not harassment, for goodness sake.
"Organized Campaigns"So now whe have two possible scenarios -
Either several people that identify as supporters of GamerGate target the targets of GamerGate for harassment because they are supporters of GamerGate that are participating in GamerGate's organized campaigns.
The only 'organised operations' of GG have been writing campaigns to advertising companies, and that's mostly stopped now.Several people that identify as supporters of GamerGate coincidentally target the targets of GamerGate for harassment independent of GamerGate's organized operations.
I never, at any point said it ever was justified. I said that it was primarily being conducted by anonymous trolls. Their affiliation is assumed. Even their numbers are assumed. A dedicated troll could easily be responsible for hundreds of different accounts across multiple platforms.Either way, you haven't found an adequate explanation for what makes targeting journalists for stalking, harassment, or death threats an acceptable behavior and you haven't found a defense of GamerGate's organized harassment campaigns
You can self-censor your Twitter. You can block people on Twitter. You can report people on Twitter. You can protect your account. You can close Twitter. There's no implied threat of escalation through violence.Now this is an interesting belief.
What is different between doing this in person or on twitter?
Did a quick look up, turns out that guy has been arrested and jailed for assaulting a police officer, it turns out he gloated over a girl(From I can tell GG supporter) suicide death and attack her love ones, and creating an article attacking Liana K(Well known GG supporter). Lurking in Kia one of the members mention that they kicked him out.Ethan Ralph
A prominent leader of Gamergate was just arrested on charges of assaulting a police officerDid a quick look up, turns out that guy has been arrested and jailed for assaulting a police officer, it turns out he gloated over a girl(From I can tell GG supporter) suicide death and attack her love ones, and creating an article attacking Liana K(Well known GG supporter). Lurking in Kia one of the members mention that they kicked him out.
But his arrest has nothing to do with GG, or even harassment or making threats.A prominent leader of Gamergate was just arrested on charges of assaulting a police officer
One of Gamergate's most prominent voices, Ethan Ralph, was arrested recently on two counts of assault on law enforcement and one count of obstruction of justice.
He allegedly "assaulted a deputy," according to the Loudoun County Sheriff's Office report.
Ralph is well-known within the online Gamergate community for a website he runs, The Ralph Retort. It's a Rush Limbaugh-esque take on the world of video games.
Ok that just plan bull. Who, besides himself consider him to be their leader? I bet tiny to nonexistent.
Does that mean you can legally harass people or threaten to murder them on Twitter and not have to fear any consequences?You can self-censor your Twitter. You can block people on Twitter. You can report people on Twitter. You can protect your account. You can close Twitter. There's no implied threat of escalation through violence.
The whole purpose of Twitter is an open platform. You tweet, you scream to the world, and if you're somewhat known, somewhat followed, guess what, you'll get tweeted at.
Does that mean you can legally harass people or threaten to murder them on Twitter and not have to fear any consequences?
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!!If someone were to do such things to you in person, you could self-censor by putting on head phones or locking your doors.
No?Does that mean you can legally harass people or threaten to murder them on Twitter and not have to fear any consequences?
Sometimes you can. If someone I don't want to talk to comes to my door, I close it. I don't let them in. If they try force themselves in, it escalates.If someone were to do such things to you in person, you could self-censor by putting on head phones or locking your doors. I see no reason that harassment or death threats in person should be any less legal than over email or twitter.
Really? How are they different? Let's say you threatened to murder someone. Do you think law enforcement is going to be cool with it if you do it online instead of in a letter or over the phone?
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!!
How do you think harassment is defined...legally? Would you consider sending nude pictures of someone to their family a form of harassment?No?
We're not talking about threats. We're talking about general behaviour. Twitter is a place of parody accounts, satire, criticism, mockery, even contemptuous indignation towards others. The kind of argumentative back and forth comments that float around on Twitter (and on this forum) could never be in real life, between two people. Interactions between anonymous or pseudonymous strangers online will have a lack of restraint and honesty that is implicit in our daily interactions. Just like how interactions at work or at home are distinct.
You can also always excuse yourself from, or filter out your Twitter. There are plenty of things you can do on there if you don't like being the recipient of negative comments.
Sometimes you can. If someone I don't want to talk to comes to my door, I close it. I don't let them in. If they try force themselves in, it escalates.
I have never said that death threats should be legal over Twitter. Stop bringing it back to that. It's dishonest. I've objected to your unstated premise that insults, mockery, parody and bulk mentions constitute harassment on Twitter.
I have never, at any point, said that threats to murder are less wrong online than in real life. Since you're so insistent to beat this dead topic and to force some kind of confession from me, I'll indulge you.In this thread we now have arguments about how it's less wrong to harass people on Twitter or threaten to murder them online than if you were to commit those acts in person or over the phone.
At no point have I ever made any excuse or justification for harassment. You have not even defined what you regard as harassment.This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. I look forward to more elaborate justifications and excuses for harassment.
Probably not, but if law enforcement spent their time dealing with all text threats, that would be all they'd do, and there'd be an awful lot of 13 year olds incarcerated.Really? How are they different? Let's say you threatened to murder someone. Do you think law enforcement is going to be cool with it if you do it online instead of in a letter or over the phone?
I hadn't thought about that. But indeed, these two online brigades were very much the same and quite obviously had a lot of overlap.The 2014 online hate-storm presaged the tactics of the Trump-loving far right movement. Prominent critics of the president elect should take note.
There is currently an ongoing operation targeting Crash Override, which is the organization Zoe Quinn founded to help targets of online harassment campaignsThe only 'organised operations' of GG have been writing campaigns to advertising companies, and that's mostly stopped now.
Well for starters if that guy did it "in person" then that guy is a total idiot, as anyone can quickly identify him and have the police arrest him.Really? How are they different?
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