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I hadn't heard of any. I'm not denying it, just asking for information about it.Pretty much everyone pro and against GG, who spoke on twitter a bit, got death threats at some point.
Death threats towards GG? You haven't heard because it got no attention. Almost none of them were worth noting. All anonymous trolls.I hadn't heard of any. I'm not denying it, just asking for information about it.
Death threats towards GG? You haven't heard because it got no attention. Almost none of them were worth noting. All anonymous trolls.
I mean, there's a huge difference of culture at play here. GG people don't care, and will barely notice threats from 1 day old egg accounts on Twitter. Pro-GG, at least the champagne celebrities, will, and will tell the media about each and every one. Look at the silliness of the "Death to Brianna" picture posted on page 2 of this thread.
I don't see how you view it as primary GG.What then occurred was a race to the bottom - banning of individuals from discussions, editorial boards taking sides, banning and censorship on any number of frousm/boards, doxxing and harassment (primarily, but certainly not exclusively, from the pro-GG side).
That didn't happen over night however. That happens months later, I stop visiting those places, as they devolved into a useless culture war. The straw that broke the camel's back for is a modder being resign by community pressure for daring to remove threads/post that has nothing to do with ethics/journalism with gaming!The idea of GG being about actual video games and the industry reporting on them became noting more than a catalyst for the discussion to pivot on, rather than the topic of discussion itself.
I also recognize that there's a huge cultural difference between the Left and the Right. When someone gets a threat on the Right, they laugh and make fun of the idiot making it, then forget about it. On the Left, they whine to everyone they know and try to find strangers to show it to. Then, after spending a week in a hugbox, they emerge to demand a medal in the Oppression Olympics. Not a gold one though, a bronze. So they can be a victim, even in their victimhood.
Really? How many messages have you received from someone threatening to murder you and your family? Did anyone supply those people with your home address? Is this something you consider normal or acceptable behavior? If not, why are you defending it as normal?I'm on the internet. I discuss political topics. Of course I've had threats. Everyone has.
Can you point to the part where I justified any death threats or any harassment campaign, please.I just adore how this thread has devolved into posts justifying death threats and harassment campaigns.
Please, continue proving the point of the article I linked to in the OP
Do you share the same outrage when Milo has to repeatedly cancel events he goes to (or has them canceled for him) because of bomb threats? Or when he gets a syringe sent to him [staff edit - link removed for profanity]? Or people like the Internet Aristocrat getting their home address put out online?Really? How many messages have you received from someone threatening to murder you and your family? Did anyone supply those people with your home address? Is this something you consider normal or acceptable behavior? If not, why are you defending it as normal?
Sure. Could you explain the purpose of this post? It doesn't seem to be an argument against death threats so much as an argument for "This is why these people deserve to be threatened"Can you point to the part where I justified any death threats or any harassment campaign, please.
Okay, I'm going to play Tu Quoque, albeit, with a difference.
Here's Graham Linehan, comedian and director, and Leigh Alexander, VG Journalist laughing at a picture of a disabled GG supporter.
Here's Patton Oswalt and some journalists attacking James Rolfe and his wife on Twitter for saying he won't review Ghostbusters. Here's just one of the many hit-pieces against him for having the temerity to say so.
Here's Graham Linehan [staff edit - link removed for vulgarity], again, doxxing a student on Twitter for criticising him.
Here's Brianna Wu trying to get a writer of Ubisoft fired for writing neutrally about GG.
Here's Brad Wardell, the CEO of Stardock being accused of being a sexual harasser [staff edit - link removed for profanity] (this actually extended across Twitter with Zoe Quinn and others throwing all kinds of accusations against him. Pure Scientology behaviour).
Here's Daniel Vavra, the co-founder of Warhorse Studios being called a racist [staff edit - link removed for profanity] for setting a game in medieval Bohemia.
Here's Devin Faraci suggesting that GG supporters should be doxxed [staff edit - link removed for profanity].
Here's Bob Chipman, suggesting that threats against GG supporters are to be expected.
Here's Ben Kuchera, another journalist, trying to get someone fired for supporting GG.
Here's Randi Harper, the creator of the much controversial GG autoblocker, haranguing a neutral party off of Twitter.
Here's Adam Sessler happy with the fact that harassment towards Pro-GG is unreported [staff edit - link removed for profanity].
Here's Rebecca Watson writing a piece about how she thinks its acceptable to doxx the right people.
I could go on... so much of this is in my memory, and I have to dig to find appropriate screencaps and archive links.
What's significant about this list? What's different? These are actual journalists, developers, 'activists' and critics saying these things. They aren't no-name anonymous accounts made 2 days ago. They're real people, putting their disgusting and contemptible opinions out there. Honourable mention goes to Arthur Chu's "it ends tonight" implicit threat towards a GG meetup that actually ended up being interrupted by a bomb threat (also barely reported anywhere).
How in the world did you reach THAT conclusion!?It doesn't seem to be an argument against death threats so much as an argument for "This is why these people deserve to be threatened
Is that really what you took from that post? Good gracious.Sure. Could you explain the purpose of this post? It doesn't seem to be an argument against death threats so much as an argument for "This is why these people deserve to be threatened"
Saying that anonymous threats and nasty comments exist online is just describing the obvious. They are almost always from trolls, and should be ignored and reported - not used as the basis of a campaign to smear and attack entire groups of people.We also have other posts in this thread describing death threats as normal and expected.
They are almost always from trolls, and should be ignored and reported - not used as the basis of a campaign to smear and attack entire groups of people.
Yes. Do you share the same outrage when the people targeted by GamerGate are harassed by members of GamerGate via organized operations? Do you find it somewhat alarming that GamerGate organizes operations to dig up dirt on people to use as ammunition against them their targeted harassment campaigns?Do you share the same outrage when Milo has to repeatedly cancel events he goes to (or has them canceled for him) because of bomb threats? Or when he gets a syringe sent to him? Or people like the Internet Aristocrat getting their home address put out online?
Threatening to murder someone is not a joke and it isn't funny.No-one is saying that deaths threats are normal, but that they are just a part of internet culture. Always have been. People getting doxxed is and always has been way worse, but threats taken alone, from anonymous accounts should be treated like they joke they are.
What if that group of people, referred to as GamerGate, is comprised primarily of people who harass people, stalk them, and threaten to murder them? Should I not condemn the movement for what the majority of their membership engages in?Saying that anonymous threats and nasty comments exist online is just describing the obvious. They are almost always from trolls, and should be ignored and reported - not used as the basis of a campaign to smear and attack entire groups of people
What legitimate discussion is being censored?And they certainly shouldn't be used to create an internet police to make every internet platform nice, safe, family friendly and bully proof because the result is that unpopular opinions are now considered harassment and legitimate discussion is being squelched.
But you don't know that most people in GG harass, stalk and threaten to murder people. You have no idea. As I said, almost every threat and attack against Anti-GG activists are anonymous trolls. You are begging the question.What if that group of people, referred to as GamerGate, is comprised primarily of people who harass people, stalk them, and threaten to murder them? Should I not condemn the movement for what the majority of their membership engages in?
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