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Divine Healing That Wasn't
(keep in mind most of these folks teach it is God’s will to heal you every time you are sick)
Doyle "Buddy" Harrison, Founder of Harrison House Books, son-in-law of Kenneth E. Hagin died Nov. 1998 of cancer. He was the founder of Faith Christian Fellowship, the WOF denomination. How could he have died of cancer? He was in the "faith movement" BEFORE Copeland and others . . .
0. E.W. Kenyon, Father of the Word of Faith Movement. One of the initial teachers of divine healing and it always being God's will to heal His children. Died in a coma brought on by a malignant tumor. Copeland teaches that Kenyon was sitting in a rocking chair, his daughter came into the room and Kenyon said "there's Jesus, good bye," and went to glory. This is a lie. He died from disease.
1. John Osteen, mega-church pastor in Houston - his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through the mercy of God and medical attention survived. John Osteen is more sound today than when he initially began with the renewal movement, he is probably not as much a WOF teacher as he used to be.
2. Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Los Angeles - his wife, Betty got cancer and was medically treated (chemo-therapy) and by the mercy of God was patched up. "If you need a crutch upon or something to help you get along, then praise God, hobble along until you get your faith moving to the point that you don’t need a crutch." How Faith Works pp. 92-92
I guess after all the years of sitting under "anointed" faith teaching by one of the movements leading faith teachers was not enough for Fred’s wife - she needed a doctor after all.
3. Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author - died of cancer. He was under a medical doctors care.
4. Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches power of our words to create reality - his wife got cancer and was medically treated.
I don’t deny the existence of disease. I deny the right of that disease to exist in this body, because I’m the Body of Christ." The Tongue p. 43.I guess Chuck’s wife must have not spoken the right magic words to keep the cancer from her body.
5. John Wimber, Signs & Wonders Movement, author of "Power Healing," - just died from cancer. He too, was medically treated - no "power" healing for him, only chemo-therapy.
5a. Chris Wimber, GM of Vineyard Music died Feb 6, 1998 of melanoma cancer. Mahesh is supposed to have "healed" people of cancer and AIDS - yet there was no "healing" for Chris.
6. Mack Timberlake, Word of Faith pastor - suffering from throat cancer, getting medical attention.
7. R.W. Schambach, Faith Healer - got a quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human doctor)
"You don’t have any problems, all you need is faith in God."Maybe so, but isn't it nice that He has provided doctors too? Without them, R.W. would have long ago faced his judgment.
8. Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly - over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.
I personally respect Hobart & his misguided followers. They actually took the teachings of the WOF movement to their logical conclusion. They stood on the "promises" alone and believed in their doctrine enough to face painful deaths instead of refusing to deny what they believed. Hobart Freeman is the most chilling testimony of the complete bankruptcy of the WOF errors. If WOF teachings were true they would have certainly worked for Hobart and the 90+ people who died in "faith believing." (BTW - Hobart is a name NONE of the WOF'ers mention, he was too serious about the teachings).
9. Joyce Meyer, the fast rising Word of Faith female preacher. On Aug. 31, 1998 on her morning broadcast admitted that she had breast cancer and was MEDICALLY TREATED. I found her admission to be very interesting.
9. Prophet Keith Grayton, Prophetic Movement - died of the complications of AIDS He spoke at our Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally healed. He died a year or so later.
10. Kenneth Hagin, "father" of the Word of Faith Movement - sister died of cancer, (he wears glasses as does his son). Hagin’s great faith and special anointing could not keep her on the planet or his eyesight from growing dim.
10a. Hagin's sister died from cancer.
10b. Hagin's wife had to go to the hospital for an operation even though Jesus "appeared" to Hagin and gave him a special anointing to heal the sick (read I Believe In Visions). If people believe Hagin is anointed then they will be healed, I guess his own family members doubt his healing powers.
11. Robert Tilton, God's "profit" admitted he had to get special face-lifting surgery because of the danger of getting ink poisoning from laying on all the prayer requests he received. Why didn't he command healing . . .like he does for countless others over the airwaves?"
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Katherine Kuhlman - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from heart disease in Tulsa OK, Oral Roberts could not heal her!
A.A. Allen - an acknowledged divine healer and exorcist DIED from alcohol & drug abuse.
Aimee Semple McPherson - an acknowledge divine healer - died of a barbiturate overdose. Why was she taking pills in the first place? Wasn't the "peace" of God enough for her?
Jack Coe - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from disease.
John G. Lake - DIED of a stroke in 1935. He is held up as a great "healer" and miracle worker.
Gordon Lindsey- DIED either of a stroke or heart condition. Yet he propagated the Healing Revival of the lates 1940's and early 1950's. Why?
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1. Robert Tilton, Word of Faith Televangelist - 2 divorces, multiple law suits, caught in many lies, utters many false prophecies, uses unscrupulous means to garner millions from God's "gullible."
2. Peter Popoff, Televangelist - a proven fraud (read "The Faith Healers" by James Randi)
3. W.V. Grant, Televangelist - convicted felon for tax fraud, a divorcee.
4. Leroy Jenkins, Televangelist - convicted felon for arson & assault.
5. Jimmy Swaggert, Televangelist - adulterer, opulent lifestyle while crying broke on television.
6. Marilyn Hickey, Word of Faith teacher - shameless use of charismatic trinkets (blessed cornmeal, oils, cloths, seeds, coins, etc.).
7. Marjoe Gortner, came from 3 generations of Pentecostal preachers. He laid hands on multitudes to give them the "gift" of tongues. . . yet he himself was not saved. He admitted this publicly, and made a movie showing him in action. Unsaved, yet seeming to flow in the miraculous.
8. Jim Bakker, convicted felon. Jim & Tammy lived high off the hog for many years. Later they divorced, and in jail the Lord seems to have dealt with Jim and I think he has repented.
9. E.W. Kenyon, divorced his wife yet taught that faith is a law that works by another law, the law of love! We are told by WOF teachers that Kenyon was a man of faith and power - but how could his "god-kind-of-faith" been in operation if he could not even love his wife properly?
This is just my personal opinion but I believe that if I'm healed of any sickness it's going to be because of God's will. My prayers and faith may help or,they may not Jesus may choose to heal me in heaven if he chooses not to do it down here. And I'm fine with that although I will admit the process of dying is what I'm scared of I've seen a lot of suffering, our body's regardless of what it has fights so hard to live and so much suffering happens in the process. Copeland, Meyers and Hagin etc what are they so afraid of? Do they not believe in there eternal destiny? This life sucks I want to go home but then my human side wants to live as well but my spirit longs for Jesus so much he's the only one that can save me from myself and hell. Hagin I heard repented as well as Oral Robert's. Is this true? Good post my friendIs it faith to seek healing claiming one's own worth rather than confess "Jesus alone is worthy"?
Did Jesus chide the centurion for unbelief when he talked of his own unworthiness when seeking healing?
Is the lack of admission of unworthiness before the morally perfect Jesus, a reason for lack of complete healing among people in the Word of Faith movement?
You may post your answers.
This is just my personal opinion but I believe that if I'm healed of any sickness it's going to be because of God's will. My prayers and faith may help or,they may not Jesus may choose to heal me in heaven if he chooses not to do it down here. And I'm fine with that although I will admit the process of dying is what I'm scared of I've seen a lot of suffering, our body's regardless of what it has fights so hard to live and so much suffering happens in the process. Copeland, Meyers and Hagin etc what are they so afraid of? Do they not believe in there eternal destiny? This life sucks I want to go home but then my human side wants to live as well but my spirit longs for Jesus so much he's the only one that can save me from myself and hell. Hagin I heard repented as well as Oral Robert's. Is this true? Good post my friend
if I'm healed of any sickness it's going to be because of God's will.
Hagin I heard repented as well as Oral Robert's
What do you believe?This is where word of faith clash with dispensationalism.
Wof believes that the healing that Jesus, the 12, and Paul did from Matthew to acts is supposed to continue now.
Dispensationalists believe that those are sign gifts, that was present during that time because Jews needed a sign to believe Jesus as their messiah.
Thus, Jesus heal to show the Jews he was truly the messiah, exemplified by what he told John the Baptist disciples when they ask him whether he is indeed the messiah the Jews were waiting for.
From the WOF movement. Is this true?Do you have faith it's God's will to heal you in Christ's death & resurrection?
absolutely
From what?
What do you believe?
Is it faith to seek healing claiming one's own worth rather than confess "Jesus alone is worthy"?
Did Jesus chide the centurion for unbelief when he talked of his own unworthiness when seeking healing?
Is the lack of admission of unworthiness before the morally perfect Jesus, a reason for lack of complete healing among people in the Word of Faith movement?
You may post your answers.
I believe sickness was not in God original plan for man.
Death came in when Adam sinned, sickness is just the beginning of death
So if Jesus took care of the sin problem, sickness is also taken care of.
it is God’s will that everyone is healed. When God sees you, he sees your spirit and your spirit is always in perfect health.
Your job is to renew your mind to that spiritual reality and your physical reality will eventually change to reflect that.
Death came in when Adam sinned, sickness is just the beginning of death
To answer your question "what faith to be healed? It is the prayer of faith.
Is it faith to seek healing claiming one's own worth rather than confess "Jesus alone is worthy"?
He gave Adam the free choice to decide, so there have to be consequences to that choice he made.
If you agree healing has already been provided based on Christ's finished work on the cross which denotes His perfect worthiness, do you admit you are unworthy?Don't need to seek something that has already been provided for by the finished works of Jesus Christ... and with Grace thru faith "I believe I received." (Mark 11:24)
If Adam had free choice to decide, why was redemption through Christ planned from before the foundation of the world as below?
1 Peter 1:18-20: "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you".
Are you a Calvinist?
Just because God knows the choice that man makes does not mean man is predestined to make that choice.
All of us live in the time dimension so it is almost impossible for us to understand what is it to live "outside time".
Just because God knows the choice that man makes does not mean man is predestined to make that choice.
Does 1 Peter 1:18-20 ("Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world") talk about foreknowledge of Adam's choice or foreordination of Christ before the foundation of the world for redemption?
If you agree healing has already been provided based on Christ's finished work on the cross which denotes His perfect worthiness, do you admit you are unworthy?
From human perspective, people can interpret that as God already knew what would happen and hence he knew he would have to die on the cross for man.
But as I said, we live in the time dimension, so trying to understand God's perspective is like an insect trying to understand human beings from their perspective.
We were ALL unworthy, however... once you except Christ as your Saviour… all things have changed. Your sin nature (old man) has died. You are a new creation in Christ. With that being said... Jesus has made us worthy.
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