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JohnR7 said:I would say you lost me somewhere along the way. I think that we are talking about two different things.
atechnie said:We were talking about whether the universe is an intelligent design or not. You came along and said "It is not a question of what it needs to be, it is a question of what it is."
i.e.,
Is chocolate fantastic or not. I said to you, "It is not a question of what chocolate needs to be, it is a question of what chocolate is."
Is that better?
corvus_corax said:Unprovable statements of faith are great and all, but you should really qualify them as such when you make such.
JohnR7 said:You are looking at the taste of chocolate. Yes it needs to be what it is or we would not consider it something that we want to eat. The design it self at a molecular level is a intellegent design.
I will try to explain a intellegent design for you.
The classic example has always been a watch. A watch is made up from the elements that we find in the earth. But you have to manufacture those elements and convert them into watch parts. It is the conversion of the elements that makes the design an intelligent one. If you did not have to convert the elements, if you could make up a watch out of the raw elements of the earth, then it could be considered a unintelligent design.
So, like your chocolate a watch needs to be able to keep track of the time. What makes the watch a intelligent design is the way the elements are converted into parts in order to make a watch. Once you have the parts, they will almost fall into place by themselves. You would only have to struggle to get the parts to fit if they were not made properly.
Magnus Vile said:Hey, I'll bite. Show me a universe that is different to this one, preferably one without any possibility of life,
JohnR7 said:That does not exist. Everything in creation has potential or possibility. Otherwise it would be destoyed and no longer exist. So is that what your are seeking after: non existance?
Magnus Vile said:So 100% of all known universes support life.
In short, what does the OP have to do with the price of tea in China, and if it doesn't address the price of tea in China, is the OP valid?
JohnR7 said:It has the potential for life. We would not exist if parts of us were not created in a star somewhere. This is a living universe and all of creation has the potential for life.
Edx said:So you agree with Big Bang theory??
JohnR7 said:I do not think that there was a "Bang" I think that the universe just began to expand. But there are people who are experts on that sort of thing that claim there was an actual explosion.
JohnR7 said:Does this mean you do not need answers to the rest of your questions?
JohnR7 said:I do not think that there was a "Bang" I think that the universe just began to expand. But there are people who are experts on that sort of thing that claim there was an actual explosion.
JohnR7 said:Because the universe is an intelligent design.
JohnR7 said:Intelligent design is not so much a statement of faith as it is an explaination for the way the universe and nature world are. It has to do with physics and molecular structure.
atechnie said:I notice that you've ignored my post, John.
Asimov said:It may be an explanation, but it's an unsubstantiated one.
Could you expand on this assertion and produce some evidence?JohnR7 said:Actually intellegent design when it comes to physics by definition is a fact.
(emphasis added)JohnR7 said:But the average person does not look at the universe on a atomic, necular or molecular level, so they totally miss the concept of what intellegent design is. It is simple though, the elements have to be converted before they can become something that is living. In fact they go though about five conversion processes. That is why we have five days of creation before man is created on the sixth day.
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