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Your argument is circular. And unsubstantiated.
I think "mansions" is a bad translation. should be "rooms". a phrase in greek that means "lift up" was translated as "cut away" or something like that but almost all bible translations get that one wrong.
I disagree.
I believe your argument is circular. Being insulting by insinuating something I never said is just unChrist-like.If you believe the Word of God is unsubstantiated in it’s trustworthiness or it’s claims, then I beg to differ.
Check out my blogger article here:
Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God
why do you disagree and is it with all of it or only one of them?
I believe your argument is circular. Being insulting by insinuating something I never said is just unChrist-like.
Is a room really a reward?
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” (Hebrews 11:6).
got infinite rooms so i'm okay with that
1Cor 3:21-23 (YLT)
So then, let no one glory in men, for all things are yours, whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things about to be--all are yours, and ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's.
Not everyone will have the same rewards in heaven.
I agree
“For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” (Romans 8:18).
I know you are trying to walk it back, but your insult was clear.First, I am referring to having faith in the KJV (Seeing that is the pure Word of God that I am referring to here).
Second, it is not really directed towards you alone. I am not seeking to make it personal with you. Does the Anti-KJV Only Position teach that one can believe God’s Word when it says that His Word is perfect and that it will be preserved for all generations?
Third, I also used the word “if” in the sentence. If sets up a possibility or condition. For I said, “if you believe...” (what I am referring to).
Surely, you believe foundational things in the Word of God like Jesus, the Trinity, and the gospel. But I am referring to the fact on whether or not you can trust that there is a perfect Word of God for our day. There are many Christians who believe in many basic things in God’s Word but they don’t believe there was ever a perfect written Word of God. Some believe the originals were perfect, but we simply do not have them any more.
This is a problem for me because the Bible is called the Holy Bible and not the holey bible. For I am not supposed to change God’s Word. But God’s Word is supposed to change me.
Anything that Christ gives is a reward.So it is not go to be a room or an apartment. That is not a reward.
Anything that Christ gives is a reward.
I know you are trying to walk it back, but your insult was clear.
What you have with the KJV, NASB, ESV, etc. are translations. They contain the Word. They are not the Word. So as long as the Bible you read is accurately translated, then you have the word of Christ. There are a few faults in the KJV, mainly because the translators didn’t have the more accurate manuscripts that we have today. But it’s still a good translation. Just don’t worship it (“First, I am referring to having faith in the KJV“).
The Bible is about what God thinks and says, not me. If you can for a moment envision yourself asking God that question, what would He answer you? Do you really think He would blush and admit to you to making a mistake in His choosing the word fear? I think not.So you think...
The Bible is about what God thinks and says, not me. If you can for a moment envision yourself asking God that question, what would He answer you? Do you really think He would blush and admit to you to making a mistake in His choosing the word fear? I think not.
"Let God be true and EVERY man a liar"
Sometimes we want to deviate to the right of what God says, sometimes to the left. Which direction are you trying to deviate to on His word choice here? (as if its not obvious to me)
I don't, although I can appreciate preferences when you adopt an "Only View" for a translation or even for the original language I think you have grossly missed the point.
You said:this is correct and there are many translations out there that cater to individuals and if desired anyone can go deeper. The KJV can arguable be deemed a bible for the "religious elite" and it perpetuates values that the true word of God is in the King's English which no one actually speaks from the start puts itself in an elite position if we are to say it is the uncorrupted "Pure Word of God"
You said:The scriptures to not elevate language to a place where they should not be. The OT is written in both Hebrew and Aramaic, two very concrete languages and the NT is written in Greek a very abstract and opposite language. And by opposite I mean quite literally as the Greek alphabet is largely formed by the mirror image of the Ancient Hebrew. Hebrew is written right to left where Greek is written left to right; during it's time you couldn't get to opposite cultures and languages. the NT quotes the OT from the a greek translation. When it boils down to it language is not valued here and if there is a value it is that languages are fluid but God Word is a constant. We must however use language to express God's Word and this is why the english translations started (more so the Geneva Bible, than the KJV) as they broke free from the elite Latin text used by clergy and allowed all to understand the scripture.
William Tyndale translated the first English NT from the TR and he is quoted with his motivation with "I defy the Pope and all his laws. If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy who drives the plough to know more of the scriptures than you do" (and yes this is an updated english version of this quote because simply english in the 16th century is too distracting to read)
There is no cause to cement a translation in for all time. Languages evolve and translation work will continue on. The non-elite will gravitate to translations they can understand.
You said:God Word is perfect,
You said:the KJV shares in this glory but so do other translations... the words we use are not and constantly change this is why the KJV culturally speaking is no longer has any relevance except as a historical religious book. Christians should not proclaim the gospel that works for them but proclaim the gospel that works for our mission. This may mean casting off our religious robes to meet people where they are, the KJV is an example of such robes and if we want our mission (unbelievers) to desire to know God we should give them a message that can speak to their heart language. The KJV is estranged to the 21st century and using it can make the gospel estranged as well and promote counter-gospel values, not because it is a poor translation but because we don't live in the 17th century.
You said:why am I not getting all the correct instructions or commands in modern translations? Because they differ in a few areas than the KJV? This is an argument you provide no substance to and inventively that battle is not between translations but between the base text (which I infer that you mean the critical greek text). Your argument is not between the KJV and modern translations but between the 1550 Textus Receptus and newly form critical greek texts. It's like comparing the strength of two buildings without considering the foundation and it is highly illogical. I cannot take you serious because you refuse to enter into serious discussion on this topic.
You said:I don't speak 17th century english so is God also not capable of communicating in my language?
You said:What about those who don't speak english at all? Is God's also not capable of communicating his perfect Word these these languages?
You said:What Acts 2 shows us is God doesn't cement his perfect Word in one language.
You said:Scripture does not say that words of scripture is magnified above God which would be a dangerous thing as it would promote worship to words or a book.
You said:The Word of God is an abstract and is an intangible not uniquely defined by our ability sense it such as touch, smell or see it. The KJV is the Word of God by inheritance like an apple is a fruit but a fruit is not only an apple nor is an apple the best example of a fruit. We may see many examples of the perfect Word of God outside of the KJV and even outside of written scripture.
You said:this is a testament to preserving the Word of God not cementing it in a language 400 years ago.
You said:This is the only point you make that is best related to the KJV but it actually only targets translations from the textus receptus, what about the 2016 KJV is it the Pure Word of God? all your other points agree with any critical translation in any language and do not single out the KJV, certainly not the 1611 KJV.
You said:those doctrines do not hang on the perspective of the KJV either, if they did then they would be irresponsible. A solid doctrine is one with a continuous thread throughout scripture and if it rests on 1 line then we must reconcile why the rest of the scripture doesn't value these things. This of course is not the case with the trinity or eternal security as they are strong repeated themes throughout scripture.
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