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Yes, it does, but the the context determines that. The Verba, in context, is literal.
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Taking a both/and vs. either/or approach to interpreting Scripture is warranted within so much of Scripture. John 6 is the perfect example. It starts off symbolic (His teaching) and finishes literal (His flesh)e.g. sacramental
Is that belief of the "real presence" a requirement for one to be "orthodox" according to the CF Statement of faith?It is regrettable that the truth of the orthodox doctrine regarding the Eucharist can not be part of your faith. For me I take my Lord Jesus Christ at His Word, literally. I we are to not take our Lord's words literally, then we can not take the rest of Scripture literally; which, therefore would make the whole of God's Word a myth. I am not ready to throw out my Bible as fiction just yet, but I do build my faith on it's every word... God's every word.
It says what it says, and the Eucharist is what it is; Christ's very body and blood and a means of Grace whereby sins are forgiven.
Is that belief of the "real presence" a requirement for one to be "orthodox" according to the CF Statement of faith?
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No, but according to the Book of Concord it is, and since I subscribe to the BoC...
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Metaphorically speaking that is!Metaphor in any context, is metaphor.
Taking a both/and vs. either/or approach to interpreting Scripture is warranted within so much of Scripture. John 6 is the perfect example. It starts off symbolic (His teaching) and finishes literal (His flesh)e.g. sacramental
Mark, I love ya like a brother, but I believe you are just being silly.Metaphorically speaking that is!
"If we are to not take our Lord's words literally, then we can not take the rest of Scripture literally"
Metaphor in any context, is metaphor.
It's vice-versa. He starts off with literal (eat IS believe) and ends symbolic and then transitions again to explain (My words are spirit, flesh means nothing).
Mark, I love ya like a brother, but I believe you are just being silly.
Who in their right mind determines an entire book must be literal or figurative because of one specific passage within it?
That is utter nonsense, sir.
Pope Francis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of 41 man-made traditions of the Popes, and the Church of Rome.
1. OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ................................................................................310
2. Wax Candles introduced in church about...........................................................................320
3. Veneration of angels and dead saints about...................................................................375
4. The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted.........................................................................394
5. The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus in..............................................................431
6. Priests began to dress differently from the laity in.................................................................500
7. The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great about the year.......593
8. The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed
by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ...............................................................................600
The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue ( I Cor.14:9).
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So whatever Judaism believes, you must also? Where is that to be found in Tradition, Scripture, the Catechism, or anything else that Christians hold to be authoritative?One of my favorites is how they list prayers for the dead beginning 300 years after Christ yet this is a ancient Jewish practice and is found before Christ ever lived( 2 Macc 12:40-45) and admitted by Jews and still practiced today. Jewish encyclopedia even admits this that the Masses and prayers for the dead came from the offerings at the temple and prayers of the Jewish mourners kaddish. So well for another Papal fiction alleged by our anti-Catholic friends.
Natural fermentation, that's it. The priest who confirmed me preferred using white wine for practical reason, since red wine tends to stain the Chalice.
It not only stains, it destroys the gold. The solution is either to use silver communion ware, which is why that is seen so often, or else use white wine.Natural fermentation, that's it. The priest who confirmed me preferred using white wine for practical reason, since red wine tends to stain the Chalice.
So whatever Judaism believes, you must also? Where is that to be found in Tradition, Scripture, the Catechism, or anything else that Christians hold to be authoritative?
I am of the opinion that Christ created a new religion. And if one wants to speak of fulfillment or completion, etc. you're speaking only of the finishing touches. It is NOT the case that the Church that Christ founded is just a continuation of everything that the Jewish people did in synagogue, etc. That's not even worth debating, it's so obvious.It just makes historical sense as the Catholic Church is the historical fulfillment
Oh, that I'll concede. The idea that just because some Jewish people did X, we Christians are supposed to keep it up doesn't make sense at all. We don't have Bar Mitzvah's, keep Kosher, etc. etc., but that's what your theory, if consistently applied, would have us do.yeah and the point was this was something that was believed and practiced long before 300 A.D.
I am of the opinion that Christ created a new religion. And if one wants to speak of fulfillment or completion, etc. you're speaking only of the finishing touches. It is NOT the case that the Church that Christ founded is just a continuation of everything that the Jewish people did in synagogue, etc. That's not even worth debating, it's so obvious.
Oh, that I'll concede. The idea that just because some Jewish people did X, we Christians are supposed to keep it up doesn't make sense at all. We don't have Bar Mitzvah's, keep Kosher, etc. etc., but that's what your theory, if consistently applied, would have us do.
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