What does this mean?

[mont974x4]

Maybe God and His Word cannot be separated but different people with different experiences can and do approach God and His Word in a different way, different path. Same word just people with different experiences.

It is wrong for me to be here. I was going to put this in a PM but I will bear it here. My prayers, my approach to God with God is just to be able to get out of bed in the morning, just to for once not wishing to be dead, just to get from one moment to next for often a full hour or day is more than I can handle. That is how messed up my life is and God carries me and my thoughts come from there.

My beliefs cannot come from the bible that tells me that I am worse than I already am. The only thing that keeps me going is the knowledge that I was not born this way but twisted this way by human beings, with God's knowledge but He does not interfere.

Every time you attack me that I am wrong, your increase your power and take mine. This has been my life always, but no longer for this is my only way to fight back, not a very good way but better than the nothing I have been able to do all my life.

You are strong....the bible is your life. I had everything taken from me and God is my life. If you can place all(total)your belief on the bible only, I can place all(total)my belief on God only for He created the bible, the bible did create Him. When I need a truth, I go to God for He loves me, calls me good and takes care of me. The bible hates me, or is it people who see only sin in the bible hate me and want to destroy me and what I believe in.

One does not have to be bad to sin.

God calls me good. Who are you to argue?

He lifted me from the bottom of the hole that human beings put me in. He stayed close to me through years of agony, He tended me, He answered instantly when I cried out.

Who are you to say I cannot put all my faith, belief in God. It was God, not the bible, who carried me.

My dear sister, I know exactly what it is like to be carried by Him. A good day for me, physically, is one where I just have the pain, fatigue, and stiffness a normal person gets with the flu...a bad day is when I can't pick my feet up off the floor with out great pain, even my hair hurts and my entire body screams in agony no matter what position I am in.

Add that physical torment to the depression that can come with it and I am in a bad way.


I find my strength and endurance in Him and His Word. On my bad days I spend extra time reading the Bible and in prayer.


None of this is one person against another. None of it is our power over yours. It is an encouragment for all of us to seek Him and His will in His Word and in prayer to become the mena nd women we are supposed to be, the people He desires us to be.

It's all about Him and His standards and His will and His glory and honor and power.

 

[andross77]

Maybe God and His Word cannot be separated but different people with different experiences can and do approach God and His Word in a different way, different path. Same word just people with different experiences.

It is wrong for me to be here. I was going to put this in a PM but I will bear it here. My prayers, my approach to God with God is just to be able to get out of bed in the morning, just to for once not wishing to be dead, just to get from one moment to next for often a full hour or day is more than I can handle. That is how messed up my life is and God carries me and my thoughts come from there.

My beliefs cannot come from the bible that tells me that I am worse than I already am. The only thing that keeps me going is the knowledge that I was not born this way but twisted this way by human beings, with God's knowledge but He does not interfere.

Every time you attack me that I am wrong, your increase your power and take mine. This has been my life always, but no longer for this is my only way to fight back, not a very good way but better than the nothing I have been able to do all my life.

You are strong....the bible is your life. I had everything taken from me and God is my life. If you can place all(total)your belief on the bible only, I can place all(total)my belief on God only for He created the bible, the bible did create Him. When I need a truth, I go to God for He loves me, calls me good and takes care of me. The bible hates me, or is it people who see only sin in the bible hate me and want to destroy me and what I believe in.

One does not have to be bad to sin.

God calls me good. Who are you to argue?

He lifted me from the bottom of the hole that human beings put me in. He stayed close to me through years of agony, He tended me, He answered instantly when I cried out.

Who are you to say I cannot put all my faith, belief in God. It was God, not the bible, who carried me.

Hi again newheart, glad you didn't leave us in the middle of a discussion. You are not understanding me or your are purposefully misquoting me, i'm not sure which. OBVIOUSLY, God created humans as GOOD. It says this in the first few chapters of Genesis. That doesn't take a theologian to understand. EVERYTHING God created was GOOD, even Satan (Satan was a created angel who was originally good). When God created us good, he also created us with free will, so that we could choose good or evil, to obey or disobey, to eat the fruit or to abstain. Obviously the first humans, Adam and Eve, chose to disobey and the bible tells us that sin entered into ALL OF US from their disobedience (Rom. 5:12).

Here is the key: since sin entered into the world through Adam and Eve, we are ALL NOW SINNERS. Our hearts are desperately wicked all the time. You are no longer the good, perfect creation that God made BECAUSE sin has entered you and twisted/marred you. It has happened to ALL OF US.

This could simple be an argument over semantics, and if so, i apologize b/c there is no point in debating this long on a theological topic when it's due to simple semantics. But i don't want you to fall for Satan's trap that you are a GOOD PERSON. When someone called Jesus good, what did he say? In Mark 10:18 or Luke 18:19 he says, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone." Partly he did this to accept this divine praise in a secretive way and partly he said this to remind us we are all twisted by sin.

Lastly, please stop trying to say that some of us put our faith in the Bible in contrast to you putting your faith in God. Every Christian puts his faith ONLY IN CHRIST, otherwise he is not a Christian. But we know from 2 Tim. 3:16 that "All Scripture is God-breathed...." which means it is LITERALLY the very words of God to us. Since this is the case and we know that God cannot lie (Num. 23:19), we can trust the words in the 66 books of the Old Testament and New Testament to instruct us infallibly how to live. So when you "hear something from God" or you make a decision about something, it MUST line up with Scripture. If it doesn't, you are making a sinful decision or being led astray by an evil spirit (or both).

Am i making sense? I know this is long winded but you seem to be Mature in your Love for God but a baby in your faith theologically. You are mature in the more important half, but we must be mature in both in order to live the full lives God intended.

Blessings.

 

[newheart]

Hi again newheart, glad you didn't leave us in the middle of a discussion. You are not understanding me or your are purposefully misquoting me, i'm not sure which. OBVIOUSLY, God created humans as GOOD. It says this in the first few chapters of Genesis. That doesn't take a theologian to understand. EVERYTHING God created was GOOD, even Satan (Satan was a created angel who was originally good). When God created us good, he also created us with free will, so that we could choose good or evil, to obey or disobey, to eat the fruit or to abstain. Obviously the first humans, Adam and Eve, chose to disobey and the bible tells us that sin entered into ALL OF US from their disobedience (Rom. 5:12).

Here is the key: since sin entered into the world through Adam and Eve, we are ALL NOW SINNERS. Our hearts are desperately wicked all the time. You are no longer the good, perfect creation that God made BECAUSE sin has entered you and twisted/marred you. It has happened to ALL OF US.

This could simple be an argument over semantics, and if so, i apologize b/c there is no point in debating this long on a theological topic when it's due to simple semantics. But i don't want you to fall for Satan's trap that you are a GOOD PERSON. When someone called Jesus good, what did he say? In Mark 10:18 or Luke 18:19 he says, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone." Partly he did this to accept this divine praise in a secretive way and partly he said this to remind us we are all twisted by sin.

Lastly, please stop trying to say that some of us put our faith in the Bible in contrast to you putting your faith in God. Every Christian puts his faith ONLY IN CHRIST, otherwise he is not a Christian. But we know from 2 Tim. 3:16 that "All Scripture is God-breathed...." which means it is LITERALLY the very words of God to us. Since this is the case, we can trust the words in the 66 books of the Old Testament and New Testament to instruct us infallibly how to live. So when you "hear something from God" or you make a decision about something, it MUST line up with Scripture. If it doesn't, you are making a sinful decision or being led astray by an evil spirit (or both).

Am i making sense? I know this is long winded but you seem to be Mature in your Love for God but a baby in your faith theologically. You are mature in the more important half, but we must be mature in both in order to live the full lives God intended.

Blessings.

I will just say one more thing. You did it again. You just said once again that I am not good. That is the last time I will ever see that. I commit sin but I am still the good person that God created and always will be. If you wish to live with satan in you that is fine, but I personally invited God into my soul and there is only room for Him so He swept satan away. I still sin because of this body but I am a good person who sins like everybody else in the world.

The difference between you and me is that I am comfortable with who I am and have no need to pressure people into my belief. Your belief must be rather unstable to have you need so desperately to make everybody to believe as you do.

I will not be back because you will not be crushing your terms on me again. You keep them. I don't want them.

 

[andross77]

I will just say one more thing. You did it again. You just said once again that I am not good. That is the last time I will ever see that. I commit sin but I am still the good person that God created and always will be. If you wish to live with satan in you that is fine, but I personally invited God into my soul and there is only room for Him so He swept satan away. I still sin because of this body but I am a good person who sins like everybody else in the world.

The difference between you and me is that I am comfortable with who I am and have no need to pressure people into my belief. Your belief must be rather unstable to have you need so desperately to make everybody to believe as you do.

I will not be back because you will not be crushing your terms on me again. You keep them. I don't want them.

Ok, well i've done my part. I've told you God's truth (not mine) which is plainly laid out in Scripture. But you did not want to hear it. You are like those described in 2 Timothy 4:3 that "will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,".

Even though as i reflect on these posts, i'm pretty sure this is just a stupid argument over words and not actual meaning. We both believe we are sinners, but you think you are STILL a good person even after being marred by sin and i contend that it is sin that scars you and MAKES you bad.

I hope you read more Scripture and allow the Holy Spirit to teach you rather than just "listening to the Spirit" and disregarding God's Word.

 

[MelissaShae]

I will just say one more thing. You did it again. You just said once again that I am not good. That is the last time I will ever see that. I commit sin but I am still the good person that God created and always will be. If you wish to live with satan in you that is fine, but I personally invited God into my soul and there is only room for Him so He swept satan away. I still sin because of this body but I am a good person who sins like everybody else in the world.

The difference between you and me is that I am comfortable with who I am and have no need to pressure people into my belief. Your belief must be rather unstable to have you need so desperately to make everybody to believe as you do.

I will not be back because you will not be crushing your terms on me again. You keep them. I don't want them.

Oh please don't leave. If you would like someone to talk to that will not judge you and point out your sins then you can PM me and I woul d be happy to talk to you or just listen.

I see a lot people so quick to point out other peopls sins and flaws and while they are pointing that finger they should realize that 3 more are pointing at them.

Jesus said that we are to lead people to God, not point out every sin they make, how is that helping someone.

 

[MelissaShae]

Ok, well i've done my part. I've told you God's truth (not mine) which is plainly laid out in Scripture. But you did not want to hear it. You are like those described in 2 Timothy 4:3 that "will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,".

Even though as i reflect on these posts, i'm pretty sure this is just a stupid argument over words and not actual meaning. We both believe we are sinners, but you think you are STILL a good person even after being marred by sin and i contend that it is sin that scars you and MAKES you bad.

I hope you read more Scripture and allow the Holy Spirit to teach you rather than just "listening to the Spirit" and disregarding God's Word.

Wow what a judgemental comment. I wasn't aware that it was our job to label others as bad.

 

[andross77]

Oh please don't leave. If you would like someone to talk to that will not judge you and point out your sins then you can PM me and I woul d be happy to talk to you or just listen.

I see a lot people so quick to point out other peopls sins and flaws and while they are pointing that finger they should realize that 3 more are pointing at them.

Jesus said that we are to lead people to God, not point out every sin they make, how is that helping someone.

I'm not sure if you read this thread at all Melissa, but we weren't not pointing out newheart's/fey's sin. We were telling here that b/c she is a sinner, she is no longer a good person as layed out in Scripture. She disagrees with us and thinks she is still a good person and there is where the discussion is.

This topic was not about pointing out her sin and it would not be profitable for anyone. But incorrect theology can lead to sinful living and so it's good to "nip it in the bud" before it becomes "full grown". That is all.

 

[andross77]

Wow what a judgemental comment. I wasn't aware that it was our job to label others as bad.

Melissa, do you even know what a judgemental comment is? It is when i make my OWN judgement on a matter. This is not what i did here. I backed up my statements with Scripture showing you and others that it is God who said these things first and i agree with him.

If anyone is being judgemental here it is God and then we know that he is the Perfect Judge so we should be fine with it. Please don't label me "judgemental" when you don't understand it and are misusing the term.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I will just say one more thing. You did it again. You just said once again that I am not good. That is the last time I will ever see that. I commit sin but I am still the good person that God created and always will be. If you wish to live with satan in you that is fine, but I personally invited God into my soul and there is only room for Him so He swept satan away. I still sin because of this body but I am a good person who sins like everybody else in the world.

The difference between you and me is that I am comfortable with who I am and have no need to pressure people into my belief. Your belief must be rather unstable to have you need so desperately to make everybody to believe as you do.

I will not be back because you will not be crushing your terms on me again. You keep them. I don't want them.

No one is good, my dear, but in Christ, we are made perfect! God looks at us as perfect because of Jesus. Understand that? Jesus is the restorer of our original Edenic goodness, which we will have once again when He returns in all His glory. Until then we struggle, we sin, we repent, we are forgiven,etc etc etc.

Stop accusing us of being God-haters and you also stop denigrating the Word of God. Then we shall get along.

 

[newheart]

No one is good, my dear, but in Christ, we are made perfect! God looks at us as perfect because of Jesus. Understand that? Jesus is the restorer of our original Edenic goodness, which we will have once again when He returns in all His glory. Until then we struggle, we sin, we repent, we are forgiven,etc etc etc.

Stop accusing us of being God-haters and you also stop denigrating the Word of God. Then we shall get along.

I did not accuse you of being God haters and I was not denigrating the Word of God. You refuse to get along with me because you seem to think it impossible that anyone but your belief could be right or even okay and you were valiant warriors for God against me. Congratulations.

 

[Floatingaxe]

God is my life. If you can place all(total)your belief on the bible only, I can place all(total)my belief on God only for He created the bible, the bible did create Him. When I need a truth, I go to God for He loves me, calls me good and takes care of me. The bible hates me, or is it people who see only sin in the bible hate me and want to destroy me and what I believe in.

One does not have to be bad to sin.

God calls me good. Who are you to argue?

He lifted me from the bottom of the hole that human beings put me in. He stayed close to me through years of agony, He tended me, He answered instantly when I cried out.

Who are you to say I cannot put all my faith, belief in God. It was God, not the bible, who carried me.

My comment was in answer to your statements above...

You seem to think that we don't know God like you do, and that we follow after the Bible only.

I will speak for myself. I also love God, for He is all in all, and He has saved me from Hellfire and set me on a Rock! Amen?

The Bible is His Word for my life. You cannot divorce God from His Word.

We don't hate you and want to tear you down. We were just correcting your belief that people are good. Don't take that so seriously that it does a number on your mind! Your self-worth comes from knowing God and what He thinks of you. If you know Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord, then God looks upon you as His precious child! He never condemns with harshness. If you feel condemned, then I apologize. Condemnation comes from Satan. I was not condemning you, but rather correcting your mistaken idea that is not backed up in Scripture.

Please stick around and be a part of things. I am sure you have much to add to this messageboard.

 

[newheart]

My comment was in answer to your statements above...

You seem to think that we don't know God like you do, and that we follow after the Bible only.

I will speak for myself. I also love God, for He is all in all, and He has saved me from Hellfire and set me on a Rock! Amen?

The Bible is His Word for my life. You cannot divorce God from His Word.

We don't hate you and want to tear you down. We were just correcting your belief that people are good. Don't take that so seriously that it does a number on your mind! Your self-worth comes from knowing God and what He thinks of you. If you know Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord, then God looks upon you as His precious child! He never condemns with harshness. If you feel condemned, then I apologize. Condemnation comes from Satan. I was not condemning you, but rather correcting your mistaken idea that is not backed up in Scripture.

Please stick around and be a part of things. I am sure you have much to add to this messageboard.

Our basic beliefs are the same and I don't want to argue. We approach the same God in each our own way. And I will defend my right to my belief. And as long as you tell me I am wrong, that I am going against God, going against what you deem to be the right belief, I will defend my right to my to my belief as right. Now if you want to fight me down till I beg for mercy and tell you that you are right and I am wrong, you are going to wait a long time.

I don't want to be in here. I want to get out of here but I will not go as long as you insist that I have to believe that I am bad as you believe, I don't have to believe that and I won't. And unless you leave it alone, I fight for my right to believe as I choose and I am right, but I do not and will not say you are wrong. I just want to leave it alone but you refuse....you seem to have to be right and I am wrong. Not so.

Just don't post that I am not good, don't insist that I am wrong in what I believe(what I believe makes no difference to you) and I won't come back. It is as simple as that. No one is defeated, no one is wrong, quite simple if you can handle it.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Our basic beliefs are the same and I don't want to argue. We approach the same God in each our own way. And I will defend my right to my belief. And as long as you tell me I am wrong, that I am going against God, going against what you deem to be the right belief, I will defend my right to my to my belief as right. Now if you want to fight me down till I beg for mercy and tell you that you are right and I am wrong, you are going to wait a long time.

I don't want to be in here. I want to get out of here but I will not go as long as you insist that I have to believe that I am bad as you believe, I don't have to believe that and I won't. And unless you leave it alone, I fight for my right to believe as I choose and I am right, but I do not and will not say you are wrong. I just want to leave it alone but refuse....you seem to have to be right and I am wrong. Not so.

Just don't post that I am not good, that I am wrong in what I believe and I won't come back. It is as simple as that. No one is defeated, no one is wrong, quite simple if you can handle it.

Did you actually read what I wrote???

 

[Tildyd]

Did you actually read what I wrote???

I actually did. That was awesome.

 

[newheart]

Did you actually read what I wrote???

Yes I did and you told me that I divorce God from His Word and I told you that I will not leave until you leave it alone. I do not divorce God from His Word. I divorce you from me because you will not leave it alone. You have to have the last word on what is the right way to believe God and His Word.

All my life I laid down for people to walk on me because I don't have the flowery speech to put people in their place and keep them there.

All I ask is that you stop telling me that I believe the wrong things. I do not ask that you say or think or anything that I am right. Just stop trying to get in the last word, your belief, that I am wrong. I don't believe exactly as you but I am not wrong.

Just say goodbye. It'll work.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Yes I did and you told me that I divorce God from His Word and I told you that I will not leave until you leave it alone. I do not divorce God from His Word. I divorce you from me because you will not leave it alone. You have to have the last word on what is the right way to believe God and His Word.

All my life I laid down for people to walk on me because I don't have the flowery speech to put people in their place and keep them there.

All I ask is that you stop telling me that I believe the wrong things. I do not ask that you say or think or anything that I am right. Just stop trying to get in the last word, your belief, that I am wrong. I don't believe exactly as you but I am not wrong.

Just say goodbye. It'll work.

Wow! Don't bring your angst with your past in here, tranferred onto us. We are not your enemy. The healing power of Jesus Christ is available for you.

Blessings!

 

[mont974x4]

(ASV)
Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, even God.
Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother.
Luk 18:21 And he said, All these things have I observed from my youth up.
Luk 18:22 And when Jesus heard it, he said unto him, One thing thou lackest yet: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Luk 18:23 But when he heard these things, he became exceeding sorrowful; for he was very rich.
Luk 18:24 And Jesus seeing him said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Luk 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to enter in through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Luk 18:26 And they that heard it said, Then who can be saved?
Luk 18:27 But he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
Luk 18:28 And Peter said, Lo, we have left our own, and followed thee.
Luk 18:29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or wife, or brethren, or parents, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,
Luk 18:30 who shall not receive manifold more in this time, and in the world to come eternal life.


We can not save ourselves and our standard of "good" isn't His. IS there good in us? Can we do good? Yes, but only in Him and through and because of Him. There is no good apart from Him.

Hell is going to be filled with "good" people for God is holy and just and righteous.

 

[newheart]

We can not save ourselves and our standard of "good" isn't His. IS there good in us? Can we do good? Yes, but only in Him and through and because of Him. There is no good apart from Him.

Hell is going to be filled with "good" people for God is holy and just and righteous.

Hi Mont

I agree that we cannot save ourselves and that it is God who saves us. He has saved me more than once.

He created me good and I am good and I sin and the sin does not make me bad. The sin is bad, sins, but I am good. And just for you, you may have the last word....You have said it, said that I am going to hell. I hope I don't meet you there.

 

[mont974x4]

NO, you are not going to hell if you're His child and I surely hope to see you in paradise.


We don't have to have all the answers or always be right we just have to be His and He saves us once and for all...even tho life gets really crappy at times, it doesn;t mean He needs to save us all over again only that we have another opportunity to see Him work in our lives and show us His love.

 

[Floatingaxe]

It's through Jesus Christ we are saved. God sees us through the blood of Jesus, and views us as righteous!

Our own goodness is as filthy rags to God.

Isaiah 64:6
We are all infected and impure with sin.When we display our righteous deeds,they are nothing but filthy rags.


I am not meaning to belabour this, but I will say this and be done with it.

Blessings!