What does this mean?

[Floatingaxe]

Actually, willful sin without remorse will separate you from God as equally as unpremeditated sin that you have not repented of because you had no idea it was sinful. To say you have never done this in your whole life must be an untruth, for what is it you were saved from? Before Christ we all sin--repeatedly--until we come to Christ with Godly sorrow and repent.


All thoughts and deed that go against God and His Word constitute sin. Categorizing it is wrong.

Imagine.....a little baby commits a sin by being born.

Quoting scripture to prove people are wrong and living sinful lives is about the worst sin I can think of.

I will agree that babies are born with that godawful thing call original sin but the baby has never commit a sin. So silly this stuff is.

Psalm 51:5
For I was born a sinner—yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.

Psalm 58:3
These wicked people are born sinners;even from birth they have lied and gone their own way.


Children are born sinners. You don't have to teach a child to lie, hit or steal..they do it naturally!

 

[freyajem]

Actually, willful sin without remorse will separate you from God as equally as unpremeditated sin that you have not repented of because you had no idea it was sinful. To say you have never done this in your whole life must be an untruth, for what is it you were saved from? Before Christ we all sin--repeatedly--until we come to Christ with Godly sorrow and repent.


All thoughts and deed that go against God and His Word constitute sin. Categorizing it is wrong.

I did not say that I didn't sin. I said that I did not willfully knowing that something was a sin, against God, and I did it regardless and did not repent. I have never done that to my knowledge.

And as far as I am concerned, if I do not know something is a sin then I cannot do it as a sin. This God of yours is truly a beast to punish people for something that they do not even know they have done. That makes no sense to me at all. About as much sense as a baby has sinned.

 

[freyajem]

Oh, I have just realized that I am in non denominational. Last time I stayed here I got a beautiful long black scar on my Control Panel that will last for a full year. That is what I got for disagreeing with you guys.

So I am outa here right now.

And I suspect all the other things are non denominational as well.

So I will say goodbye cuz I suspect when someone rats on me this time, I will be banned.

 

[mont974x4]

Imagine.....a little baby commits a sin by being born.

Quoting scripture to prove people are wrong and living sinful lives is about the worst sin I can think of.

I will agree that babies are born with that godawful thing call original sin but the baby has never commit a sin. So silly this stuff is.

This makes me sad, Scripture gives us our standard so that we can (as we are supposed to) discern right from wrong, what is and what is not sin. We are supposed to hold eachother accountable and encourage righteous living based on what God has told us in His Word.

As I said in the thread about sex, I am not trying to spoil anyones fun or beat anyone down but rather encourage my brothers and sisters to make wise decisions to leave sin behind just as I have brothers and sisters encouraging me to do the same.

Lastly, sin is never silly and we tread dangerous ground to take it lightly or to justify for sake of not making waves.

 

[freyajem]

This makes me sad, Scripture gives us our standard so that we can (as we are supposed to) discern right from wrong, what is and what is not sin. We are supposed to hold eachother accountable and encourage righteous living based on what God has told us in His Word.

As I said in the thread about sex, I am not trying to spoil anyones fun or beat anyone down but rather encourage my brothers and sisters to make wise decisions to leave sin behind just as I have brothers and sisters encouraging me to do the same.

Lastly, sin is never silly and we tread dangerous ground to take it lightly or to justify for sake of not making waves.

Mont

How is one supposed to discern what is sin and what is not sin when all that is ever talked about here is sin. All I hear about is sin. What is to discern. All that is ever quoted is sin, everything is sin, even a baby is sin. There is so much sin in this Christian forum and so little good, if any, spoken of that I don't know how anybody gets through a day. I get through the day by knowing that I am good and God loves me. And that is all I have but the enormous weight of nothing but sin in here threatens to take that away from me. I am a sinner and God hates sin so He must hate me but I guess all of you are okay saints. But in here, all there is is sin and everything is sin, even refusing to be abused by a man is a sin, all is sin, nothing but sin and God hates sin so how is one to get through the day. I know you all sin the same as I do but the way you talk is like you are saints.

True, it is not silly. It is sad. It is sad that everything is sin.

 

[mont974x4]

No one has said that a woman has to stand there and be abused. She has to respect her husband. We all are in submission to someone and that authority comes from God. We must be careful how we handle those situations. I am reminded of Paul reminding the people that he was a Roman citizen and he had rights that they had violated. However, even then he was respectful.


I hope you are seeing more than just sin in these threads. I hope you have seen the hope from the passages that people have shared as well.

It is all part of the whole Gospel, who we are without Him, who He is and what He has done for us, and who we are in Him...all because we have Him and because of His work on the cross.

And yes, God is righteous and just and that means discipline for us..because He disciplines those He loves...and it means punishment for those who reject Him.

 

[freyajem]

No one has said that a woman has to stand there and be abused. She has to respect her husband. We all are in submission to someone and that authority comes from God. We must be careful how we handle those situations. I am reminded of Paul reminding the people that he was a Roman citizen and he had rights that they had violated. However, even then he was respectful.


I hope you are seeing more than just sin in these threads. I hope you have seen the hope from the passages that people have shared as well.

It is all part of the whole Gospel, who we are without Him, who He is and what He has done for us, and who we are in Him...all because we have Him and because of His work on the cross.

And yes, God is righteous and just and that means discipline for us..because He disciplines those He loves...and it means punishment for those who reject Him.

just overload

guess I am simply not as holy as you guys.

I love God more than anything, I give myself to God totally, He leads, I follow as best I can and He asks no more than that of me. I do not live in the bible where a baby is born sinning. I live in God where a baby is born innocent and learns to love or hate, sin or not.

I have seen from being here that I cannot live the way you do, always quoting what to me are the horrors of the bible....if your hand sins, cut it off...no we don't. If you eye sins, pluck it out, no we don't. An eye for an eye and a toothe for a tooth, no we don't, or at least I don't. If I were to quote the bible, I would never quote the things you people do. I have grown in love with God, not in fear of God and all the sins that you would have take me other than Heaven.

What is on our minds is what we are and if all that is on our mind is sin and all that is sin and more sin, then that is what we will be.

You thrive on constant quotes and reminders and thought of what is sin. I don't. That doesn't make you right and me wrong. That makes us different. And if I voice what is good for me here, I am told I am the unholiest of unholies and that is not true.

 

[Floatingaxe]

just overload

guess I am simply not as holy as you guys.

I love God more than anything, I give myself to God totally, He leads, I follow as best I can and He asks no more than that of me. I do not live in the bible where a baby is born sinning. I live in God where a baby is born innocent and learns to love or hate, sin or not.

I have seen from being here that I cannot live the way you do, always quoting what to me are the horrors of the bible....if your hand sins, cut it off...no we don't. If you eye sins, pluck it out, no we don't. An eye for an eye and a toothe for a tooth, no we don't, or at least I don't. If I were to quote the bible, I would never quote the things you people do. I have grown in love with God, not in fear of God and all the sins that you would have take me other than Heaven.

What is on our minds is what we are and if all that is on our mind is sin and all that is sin and more sin, then that is what we will be.

You thrive on constant quotes and reminders and thought of what is sin. I don't. That doesn't make you right and me wrong. That makes us different. And if I voice what is good for me here, I am told I am the unholiest of unholies and that is not true.

Calm down, freya. No one is focusing on sin, and least of all on your holiness.

 

[andross77]

Mont

How is one supposed to discern what is sin and what is not sin when all that is ever talked about here is sin. All I hear about is sin. What is to discern. All that is ever quoted is sin, everything is sin, even a baby is sin. There is so much sin in this Christian forum and so little good, if any, spoken of that I don't know how anybody gets through a day. I get through the day by knowing that I am good and God loves me. And that is all I have but the enormous weight of nothing but sin in here threatens to take that away from me. I am a sinner and God hates sin so He must hate me but I guess all of you are okay saints. But in here, all there is is sin and everything is sin, even refusing to be abused by a man is a sin, all is sin, nothing but sin and God hates sin so how is one to get through the day. I know you all sin the same as I do but the way you talk is like you are saints.

True, it is not silly. It is sad. It is sad that everything is sin.

Frey, i'm sorry that you are offended. That is not my goal. But when people hear what they do not WANT to hear, they can get offended. It's how things are. Should we stop saying what is truth b/c it's offensive?

I bolded your most erroneous statement. You are NOT good. That is one of the MAIN parts of the Gospel Message. Jesus came to save sinners. Do you remember the verse that says, "our hearts are desperately wicked, all the time" ? Do you remember the verse where Jesus says, "I came to save the sick, not the healthy" ?

As Christians we shouldn't just talk about sin 100% of the time. I completely agree with you there. But we must have a correct view of sin. A correct view of sin is that it is ANYTHING that goes against the Will of God. A correct view of sin is that we are ALL SINNERS and cannot do anything to save ourselves. A correct view of sin is that it will ultimately lead to death in EVERYONE'S LIFE unless covered by the blood of Jesus.

I am just trying to correct you b/c i can see the devil is leading you away by telling you that you are a good person and that babies don't sin (this is problematic b/c then you can believe the heresy that living a perfect life IS a possibility; hence no need for Christ. This is false. We are supposed to seek perfection ["be perfect as my heavenly Father is perfect"], but know that we will never attain it on this earth)

Hopefully you aren't offended so much as to run away from the truth we are telling you to go find people that will tell you what you want to hear. There is nothing good that will come from that.

You are a sister in Christ to me as long as you love Christ and believe his word.
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[newheart]

Frey, i'm sorry that you are offended. That is not my goal. But when people hear what they do not WANT to hear, they can get offended. It's how things are. Should we stop saying what is truth b/c it's offensive?

I bolded your most erroneous statement. You are NOT good. That is one of the MAIN parts of the Gospel Message. Jesus came to save sinners. Do you remember the verse that says, "our hearts are desperately wicked, all the time" ? Do you remember the verse where Jesus says, "I came to save the sick, not the healthy" ?

As Christians we shouldn't just talk about sin 100% of the time. I completely agree with you there. But we must have a correct view of sin. A correct view of sin is that it is ANYTHING that goes against the Will of God. A correct view of sin is that we are ALL SINNERS and cannot do anything to save ourselves. A correct view of sin is that it will ultimately lead to death in EVERYONE'S LIFE unless covered by the blood of Jesus.

I am just trying to correct you b/c i can see the devil is leading you away by telling you that you are a good person and that babies don't sin (this is problematic b/c then you can believe the heresy that living a perfect life IS a possibility; hence no need for Christ. This is false. We are supposed to seek perfection ["be perfect as my heavenly Father is perfect"], but know that we will never attain it on this earth)

Hopefully you aren't offended so much as to run away from the truth we are telling you to go find people that will tell you what you want to hear. There is nothing good that will come from that.

You are a sister in Christ to me as long as you love Christ and believe his word.
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Now I can't get back in here as myself, as freya, but I was determined to get back here to tell you that God doesn't make mistakes. He created good people who decided to sin and do sin but they are good people, good people who sin. Now is you want to be a bad person, you go right ahead and be a bad person regardlesss of what God created you good. But don't you ever dare to tell me that I am not a good person ever again. And when you tell people that, you are saying God made a mistake and created sinners right from the start.

I consider your attitude to feel free to call me bad a sin in itself. And believe me, no one in this forum will ever call me bad again because I will not be here. And you should not be either. It is is sin to call people bad. Go tell God He created bad people, that all His people are bad. That His creation is for not.

And you dare suggest that I will look for someone to tell me what I want to hear. I have never had that and don't look for it. It is some kind of corruption in your mind.

 

[mont974x4]

There is no good in us except that which comes from Him.

God did not make a mistake in creating sinful humans, sin entered the world through Adam and we all share in that.



I beleieve recognizing the fact that we are all born sinners and hopeless and helpless to save ourselves is our being poor in spirit, having godly sorrow, coming to Him in repentence, submitting to Him and growing in Him.

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they that have been persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye when men shall reproach you, and persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets that were before you.
No where in Scripture does it say it is a sin to call someone bad, in fact, we are to spread the Gospel and coming to terms with the fact that we are ALL bad is a huge part of it. After salvation we are too encourage each other to live rightly and that means, in love, helping eachother recognize our weaknesses and our faults...showing them in the Word what is right and wrong, bearing each others burdens, iron sharpening iron, edifying the saints (bulding eachother up) by chiseling away the rough edges, praying together and for each other, studying the Word together, holding eachother accountable sharing in the struggles and the joys.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Psalm 14:13...
They have all turned aside,
They have together become corrupt;
There is none who does good,
No, not one.

Jesus, in Matthew 19:17...
So He said to him, &#8220;Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.&#8221;

Romans 3:12...
They have all turned aside;They have together become unprofitable;There is none who does good, no, not one."



Even God Himself sees there is no one good! What would be the point of Jesus coming and shedding His righteous blood if any of us were good?

 

[newheart]

Psalm 14:13...
They have all turned aside,
They have together become corrupt;
There is none who does good,
No, not one.

Jesus, in Matthew 19:17...
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Romans 3:12...
They have all turned aside;They have together become unprofitable;There is none who does good, no, not one."



Even God Himself sees there is no one good! What would be the point of Jesus coming and shedding His righteous blood if any of us were good?

Some people follow God by living inside the bible. And that is okay.

Some people follow God by living inside of God. And that is okay.

What is not okay is one telling the other that they are bad and wrong.

Jesus died on the cross to save the good people He created because He didn't want the alternative. I am allowed that belief if I so choose. And you are allowed your belief and I have never told you you were wrong or bad or good, whatever you want to be. I said what I thought and you wish to crucify me for doing so.

Go for it. This is a short pass that I have.

 

[mont974x4]

Is God and His Word seperate?

 

[newheart]

Is God and His Word seperate?

He Lives!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Floatingaxe]

Some people follow God by living inside the bible. And that is okay.

Some people follow God by living inside of God. And that is okay.

What is not okay is one telling the other that they are bad and wrong.

Jesus died on the cross to save the good people He created because He didn't want the alternative. I am allowed that belief if I so choose. And you are allowed your belief and I have never told you you were wrong or bad or good, whatever you want to be. I said what I thought and you wish to crucify me for doing so.

Go for it. This is a short pass that I have.

Stop editing God's words to suit your own sensibilities. Either He's right and you are wrong, or you are the right-thinking one and God is just plain wrong.

No one is "crucifying" anyone! (silly language, btw) And no one has the luxury of picking and choosing what to believe in the Word of God. That is why Jesus talks about the Body being in unity. Disunity is caused by disobedience and deliberate misinterpretation of the Word of God.

The Truth of God's Word is not a smorgasbord! You take what He dishes out.

 

[newheart]

Stop editing God's words to suit your own sensibilities. Either He's right and you are wrong, or you are the right-thinking one and God is just plain wrong.

No one is "crucifying" anyone! (silly language, btw) And no one has the luxury of picking and choosing what to believe in the Word of God. That is why Jesus talks about the Body being in unity. Disunity is caused by disobedience and deliberate misinterpretation of the Word of God.

The Truth of God's Word is not a smorgasbord! You take what He dishes out.

Everybody has the luxury of reading and interpreting and finding some things to be sensible and some things not. Everyone has the right to their belief. You have the right to yours and I do say you are wrong. I just want you to stop saying that I am wrong because I am not wrong, not any more than you are wrong.

I don't pick and choose. Or look for someone to tell me that I am right or to hear what I want to hear. I follow where God leads me and if it happen to be different than you, that has to be okay. My experiences have brought me where I am and God carried me for a period of time and I follow Him and He does not call be bad. I know I sin, we all sin but a person does not have to be bad to sin. Good people sin. My belief. You don't have to believe it. I don't have to believe you. I don't say you are wrong. Please give me the same consideration and this will be over.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Everybody has the luxury of reading and interpreting and finding some things to be sensible and some things not. Everyone has the right to their belief. You have the right to yours and I do say you are wrong. I just want you to stop saying that I am wrong because I am not wrong, not any more than you are wrong.

I don't pick and choose. Or look for someone to tell me that I am right or to hear what I want to hear. I follow where God leads me and if it happen to be different than you, that has to be okay. My experiences have brought me where I am and God carried me for a period of time and I follow Him and He does not call be bad. I know I sin, we all sin but a person does not have to be bad to sin. Good people sin. My belief. You don't have to believe it. I don't have to believe you. I don't say you are wrong. Please give me the same consideration and this will be over.

God NEVER leads one person one way and another person another. He says no one is good. Believe it! Where you are in error is in your reluctance to believe something that isn't palatable to your sensibilities.

Everyone sins! Because we are bad! It is only because the blood of Jesus covering us that God looks at us and sees the righteousness of His Son, and calls us acceptable and righteous.

 

[mont974x4]

God and His Word can not be seperated. We learn from His living and powerful Word who He is and what is expected of us.


God is not the author of confusion so if we read His Word and pray for His leading He will lead us to His TRUTH and away from our truth.

 

[newheart]

God and His Word can not be seperated. We learn from His living and powerful Word who He is and what is expected of us.


God is not the author of confusion so if we read His Word and pray for His leading He will lead us to His TRUTH and away from our truth.

Maybe God and His Word cannot be separated but different people with different experiences can and do approach God and His Word in a different way, different path. Same word just people with different experiences.

It is wrong for me to be here. I was going to put this in a PM but I will bear it here. My prayers, my approach to God with God is just to be able to get out of bed in the morning, just to for once not wishing to be dead, just to get from one moment to next for often a full hour or day is more than I can handle. That is how messed up my life is and God carries me and my thoughts come from there.

My beliefs cannot come from the bible that tells me that I am worse than I already am. The only thing that keeps me going is the knowledge that I was not born this way but twisted this way by human beings, with God's knowledge but He does not interfere.

Every time you attack me that I am wrong, your increase your power and take mine. This has been my life always, but no longer for this is my only way to fight back, not a very good way but better than the nothing I have been able to do all my life.

You are strong....the bible is your life. I had everything taken from me and God is my life. If you can place all(total)your belief on the bible only, I can place all(total)my belief on God only for He created the bible, the bible did create Him. When I need a truth, I go to God for He loves me, calls me good and takes care of me. The bible hates me, or is it people who see only sin in the bible hate me and want to destroy me and what I believe in.

One does not have to be bad to sin.

God calls me good. Who are you to argue?

He lifted me from the bottom of the hole that human beings put me in. He stayed close to me through years of agony, He tended me, He answered instantly when I cried out.

Who are you to say I cannot put all my faith, belief in God. It was God, not the bible, who carried me.