What does this mean?

[freyajem]

I probably won't go Maid

From what I can remember, I follow the bible not just from feelings. Sometimes words in the bible don't make sense to me and I don't follow blindly. For you to obey your husband is a joy, is good. For me, married 36 year was no joy, no good. I would only obey a man such as yours. You are fortunate. Many women are not so fortunate.

In my experience, anyone who advocates being a certain way, with great thrust, great energy, great force....asserting that everyone should be that way......that person should be that way. You are telling me that people are saying these things,forcefully, with great gusto, expecting people to not commit such sins, sins that they are committing. That doesn't seem right to me. Like I quit smoking 3 years ago and I wouldn't dream of telling anyone that it is a sin. I did it for close to 40 years, having started at age 17 without a thought of the harm to my body alone.

For me, a sin is something you plan, you think about it, plan it, know it's wrong, a sin, do it regardless of God, and afterwards you are glad you did it, have no remorse, do not repent or tell God you are sorry and you keep on doing it. That, to me, is sin.....willful sin. And to my knowledge, I have never done that in my life. To be sure, I have gone against God but not that way and I have always repented, been sorry.

That is why I respond the way I do. I guess because sin for me is something different than sin for most of you here.

Anyway, thank you for your kind response and I will stay and see if I can share.

 

[mont974x4]

We don't have a choice. I am to love my wife even if she doesn't respect me and she is to respect me even if I don't love her.

However, when my wife was respecting me despite the way I was it made me want to love her and learn more about how to love her the way I am supposed to.


As to sin, I beleive their is a diference between a slip up and living a sinful lifestyle. Thankfully, we have a High Priest that allows us to come to the throne in godly sorrow and true repentance...whether it is an intentional sin or not.

I am reminded of this from watching my sons. No one taught my 3 year old how to lie he just started doing it. Before I explained the facts of the matter to him he didn't understand what a lie is but you could tell by the look on his face that he knew he was wrong. We are born sinners and in need of His saving grace....even when we don't realize it.

That is all part of the "Good News"...despite our being born into sin, and my continued imperfection, He loves us and He came to forgive us and to save us and to grow us into the men and women He intends us to be.

 

[MelissaShae]

For me, a sin is something you plan, you think about it, plan it, know it's wrong, a sin, do it regardless of God, and afterwards you are glad you did it, have no remorse, do not repent or tell God you are sorry and you keep on doing it. That, to me, is sin.....willful sin. And to my knowledge, I have never done that in my life. To be sure, I have gone against God but not that way and I have always repented, been sorry.

I agree with you

We all sin, nobody is free from sinning here on Earth. Jesus was the only one without sin. I do find that many people are quick to point out other people's sins instead of looking at their own. I am a smoker as well and while some may think it is a sin, I see it as a struggle. Life is a struggle. We are only here visiting until we are called home by Jesus.

 

[freyajem]

We don't have a choice. I am to love my wife even if she doesn't respect me and she is to respect me even if I don't love her.

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That is definitely a weird statement. We always have choices.

 

[mont974x4]

Well, we do have choice..obey or not obey. However, since we love Him we want to obey Him..which is why I said we don't have a choice. This doesn't mean we don't fail or we don't have to constantly choose whether or to walk in the flesh or walk in the Spirit.


Romans chapters 6-8 come to mind.

 

[freyajem]

Well, we do have choice..obey or not obey. However, since we love Him we want to obey Him..which is why I said we don't have a choice. This doesn't mean we don't fail or we don't have to constantly choose whether or to walk in the flesh or walk in the Spirit.


Romans chapters 6-8 come to mind.

Mont

Tell that to a woman who is being abused by her husband. Does she have no choice but to stay in that relationship?

You are talking from a good relationship and there are not too many of them.

 

[Honibee]

Responding to OP~
The woman's faith accepted Jesus' coming first for the Jews, but also knew she was blessed from the 'overflow'.

 

[mont974x4]

frey, keeping in mind no marriage is perfect because they are made of imperfect people these commands are not conditional. I am not told to love my wife IF she respects or reveres me..and she is not told to respect me IF I love her the way I am supposed to.


Eph 5:22 The wives! to your own husbands subject yourselves, as to the Lord,
Eph 5:23 because the husband is head of the wife, as also the Christ is head of the assembly, and he is saviour of the body,
Eph 5:24 but even as the assembly is subject to Christ, so also are the wives to their own husbands in everything.
Eph 5:25 The husbands! love your own wives, as also the Christ did love the assembly, and did give himself for it,
Eph 5:26 that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it with the bathing of the water in the saying,
Eph 5:27 that he might present it to himself the assembly in glory, not having spot or wrinkle, or any of such things, but that it may be holy and unblemished;
Eph 5:28 so ought the husbands to love their own wives as their own bodies: he who is loving his own wife--himself he doth love;
Eph 5:29 for no one ever his own flesh did hate, but doth nourish and cherish it, as also the Lord--the assembly,
Eph 5:30 because members we are of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones;
Eph 5:31 `for this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined to his wife, and they shall be--the two--for one flesh;'
Eph 5:32 this secret is great, and I speak in regard to Christ and to the assembly;
Eph 5:33 but ye also, every one in particular--let each his own wife so love as himself, and the wife--that she may reverence the husband.


I have not found abuse directly commented on in the Bible, however, many people view the passage below concerning the abandonment to be applicable to the abuse situation because it abuse speaks of emotional abandonment. I don't know many people who would demand a woman stay with an abusive husband but we are never commanded to divorce..only that it is allowed in two cases....

1. sexual immorality
2. the unbelieving spouse leave a believing spouse


1 Cor 7

 

[bluemarkus]

she showed great faith because she did not care about public opinion. her need was so great, and she was so shure that jesus could indeed heal her daughter, that she acted like a fool... and was rewarded.

 

[Floatingaxe]

That is definitely a weird statement. We always have choices.

Yeah!

If my husband was not worthy of respect, I couldn't respect him! God is not calling us to that. He would be in need of correction, and I would see to it that he got it. THEN respect could be restored. Out of LOVE for him I would do this.

 

[mont974x4]

OK, ladies, does that mean I can withhold my love until my bride respects me?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way according to Scripture.

Interesting husbands are told to love their wives and wives are told to respect husbands...without conditions.

 

[freyajem]

Yeah!

If my husband was not worthy of respect, I couldn't respect him! God is not calling us to that. He would be in need of correction, and I would see to it that he got it. THEN respect could be restored. Out of LOVE for him I would do this.

I don't understand this statment. Out of LOVE for him you would do what?

 

[freyajem]

OK, ladies, does that mean I can withhold my love until my bride respects me?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way according to Scripture.

Interesting husbands are told to love their wives and wives are told to respect husbands...without conditions.

Are you saying that two people who are hurting each other have to stay in a hurtful, abusive marriage. Keeping in mind that what I am talking about here is that there is no love and no love can be found or made no matter how much one loves God. Loving God does not a marriage make. Two human beings in love does a marriage make.

Loving God does not make another person have to love you and be good to you. Nor does loving God help you to be happy with your partner beating on you.

 

[Floatingaxe]

OK, ladies, does that mean I can withhold my love until my bride respects me?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way according to Scripture.

Interesting husbands are told to love their wives and wives are told to respect husbands...without conditions.

Not really. The instruction was to BELIEVING MARRIAGES. In a Christian marriage, the man must love the wife. First. Then the right response for wives is to respect and give honour. Easy Peasy.

 

[mont974x4]

I am saying that my wife not respecting me does not excuse me from God's command to love her the way I am supposed to and my lack of love for her does not excuse her from respecting me.

The Bible tells us to do those things regardless of how the other person acts. We obey Him because we love Him if we actively choose to disobey Him what does that say about our love for Him?

Does that mean a woman has to stay in the house with an abusive man? I don't think so but we must be very careful how we act in such situations.

IMO, the Bible is clear on what is expected of us and I have provided such verses in earlier posts. Thankfully He gives us what we need to accomplish it because left to our own devices a husband will never love the way he is supposed to and a wife will never respect the way she is supposed to.

 

[mont974x4]

I disagree. I think the passage clearly says the wife is to see to it she repsects her husband..I can not force her to any more than she can force me to love her. These commands are NOT conditional.

A beleiver married to an unbeleiver is still supposed to obey the Word. It is up to the unbeleiver to leave or not.

 

[andross77]

I probably won't go Maid

From what I can remember, I follow the bible not just from feelings. Sometimes words in the bible don't make sense to me and I don't follow blindly. For you to obey your husband is a joy, is good. For me, married 36 year was no joy, no good. I would only obey a man such as yours. You are fortunate. Many women are not so fortunate.

In my experience, anyone who advocates being a certain way, with great thrust, great energy, great force....asserting that everyone should be that way......that person should be that way. You are telling me that people are saying these things,forcefully, with great gusto, expecting people to not commit such sins, sins that they are committing. That doesn't seem right to me. Like I quit smoking 3 years ago and I wouldn't dream of telling anyone that it is a sin. I did it for close to 40 years, having started at age 17 without a thought of the harm to my body alone.

For me, a sin is something you plan, you think about it, plan it, know it's wrong, a sin, do it regardless of God, and afterwards you are glad you did it, have no remorse, do not repent or tell God you are sorry and you keep on doing it. That, to me, is sin.....willful sin. And to my knowledge, I have never done that in my life. To be sure, I have gone against God but not that way and I have always repented, been sorry.

That is why I respond the way I do. I guess because sin for me is something different than sin for most of you here.

Anyway, thank you for your kind response and I will stay and see if I can share.

Interesting back and forth conversation here. I would not have interjected into it if it weren't for this post. Frey, your idea of sin is wrong and unbiblical. Romans 3:23 tells us, "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". Not just some. Not just people that willfully and pre-plan evil things are sinners. All of us. You. Me. The President. The Pope. The VT shooter. Everyone.

There are different kinds of sin (omission or commission, etc), different temporary consequences of sin (none, lose money, shame, death, etc), but in some way, we all sin.

Your statements are partially right though. It's those people that do not recognize themselves as sinners, that live a sinful lifestyle, find pleasure in it and never repent of it, that will be a goat on Judgement day, condemned to eternity in hell.

Not sure why you are caught up on smoking. Smoking is never said to be a sin in Scripture. BUT since Scripture tells us that our "body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within us...You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body" (1 Cor. 6:19-20) we understand that sucking in 43 known cancer-causing compounds (carcinogenics) just to have a "feeling" or "look cool" or "relieve stress" or "occupy our time" or "relax" or "for enjoyment" is sinful b/c it goes against Scripture.

But so is overeating (gluttony). This i do all the time and it's a wonder i'm not 300 lbs yet. BUT "Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!" (Rom. 7:25). He (Jesus) HAS lived the perfect life, DID die on the Cross, WAS Resurrected on the 3rd day and our sins ARE washed away! That is the Good News! That is the focus of the Gospel message.

But even though "we are saved by grace through faith and not by works so that no man may boast" (Eph. 2:8-9) we must not neglect to call out sin for what it is. Or think we are not sinners. "If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1 John 1:10)

When we are born, we are sinful. While we live, we are sinful. When we die, we die sinners. There is only one solution to our problem: Jesus who is the Christ.
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[freyajem]

Interesting back and forth conversation here. I would not have interjected into it if it weren't for this post. Frey, your idea of sin is wrong and unbiblical. Romans 3:23 tells us, "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". Not just some. Not just people that willfully and pre-plan evil things are sinners. All of us. You. Me. The President. The Pope. The VT shooter. Everyone.

Thank you for that bit of information that I am wrong. I trust that you would be as forgiving if I said you were wrong. But I don't go around telling people that they are wrong anyway.

I am right. You can be whatever you want.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Thank you for that bit of information that I am wrong. I trust that you would be as forgiving if I said you were wrong. But I don't go around telling people that they are wrong anyway.

I am right. You can be whatever you want.

Actually, willful sin without remorse will separate you from God as equally as unpremeditated sin that you have not repented of because you had no idea it was sinful. To say you have never done this in your whole life must be an untruth, for what is it you were saved from? Before Christ we all sin--repeatedly--until we come to Christ with Godly sorrow and repent.


All thoughts and deed that go against God and His Word constitute sin. Categorizing it is wrong.

 

[freyajem]

When we are born, we are sinful. While we live, we are sinful. When we die, we die sinners. There is only one solution to our problem: Jesus who is the Christ.
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Imagine.....a little baby commits a sin by being born.

Quoting scripture to prove people are wrong and living sinful lives is about the worst sin I can think of.

I will agree that babies are born with that godawful thing call original sin but the baby has never commit a sin. So silly this stuff is.