What does the God of the creation think about homosexuality?

[Kathleen30]

Now that we have established that homosexuality is considered a sin, let’s take a look at the Lord’s wrath being poured out because of this abomination. Let us direct our attention to Genesis 18:17.

And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; (Genesis 18:17)

Why did the Lord stop to talk to Abraham? Make a special notation of the next few scriptures.

Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. (Genesis 18:18-19)

The statement offered above gives us the explanation of why the Lord stopped to talk to Abraham. The reason is this, “that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.” Brothers and sisters if we do justice and judge righteously the Lord will also reveal His secrets to us. If we keep the commandments then we will be able to do justice.

Let’s continue:

And the LORD said, “Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.” (Genesis 18:20-21)

Sisters and brothers, note what the verse says, “their sin is very grievous.” What is sin? Sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4). This indicates to us that the law was around long before the Prophet Moses came into the picture.

Let’s continue:

And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes: Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake. And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake. And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. (Genesis 18:22-33)

Abraham was pretty bold don’t you think? Let’s go right into the 19th chapter and see this grievous sin that was being committed.

And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: (Genesis 19:1-4)

Abraham could have asked the Lord if there was one righteous. Notice the verse states, “people from every quarter.” We see that there were none considered righteous and all were worthy of death.

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:5-8)

Lot offered his virgin daughters to these sodomites? That’s deep! Let’s see what happen next.

And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. (Genesis 19:9-11)

Note what the verse says, “they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.” They still made an attempt to break the door down to sodomize Lot and the two angels, after they were blinded. This is an example of James 1:14, where it states, “But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” By the way brothers and sisters, if an individual commits any sin continually, after they have been informed or have the knowledge that it is sin; the Lord may kill an individual with the first death, which Adam past onto us all. And after that He may wake up the same individual in the second resurrection and will have an angel throw them into the lake of fire. So, we see that the men of Sodom were involved in homosexual activity. Let’s see this death that was brought about by the Lord because of sin. Let’s skip down to the 24th verse.

Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (Genesis 19:24-25)

The Lord destroyed all the inhabitants of the city and all the plain, nothing escaped but Lot and his two daughters. Why? Because of sin, which brings about death?

Bro homosexuality has been around for a long time be it with men or woman . Heterosexual relationships don’t fare much better with the laws of God when it comes to sex before marriage. Actually there wouldn’t be too much left of western civilisation today if God acted upon those laws to their fullest extent. The power of sexual union is one of the most pleasurable and spiritual experiences known to humanity. So much so that not many keep consistent with the many biblical laws you mention be they heterosexual, homosexual or lesbian

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Repent, for if we are sinning willfully there remains no more sacrifice for sin, Only judgement and fiery indignation.

Yes - that's what im saying to everyone.

Repent or face the fiery indignation !!!

I also cut them out !!!

 

[HIM]

1Pet 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[Kathleen30]

Yes - that's what im saying to everyone.

Repent or face the fiery indignation !!!

I also cut them out !!!

Cut them off you say . There have been those that have done just that throughout our histories. Being some extreme removing an eye along with other limbs . Cut it off you say. Confused one then there still be much trouble from God if all did. I dare say the God would hold you accountable for failing to go forth and multiply and replenish the earth

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Cut them off you say . There have been those that have done just that throughout our histories. Being some extreme removing an eye along with other limbs . Cut it off you say. Confused one then there still be much trouble from God if all did. I dare say the God would hold you accountable for failing to go forth and multiply and replenish the earth

accountable??

I'll just cut/paste bible verses to god.

checkmate!!

 

[Kathleen30]

accountable??

I'll just cut/paste bible verses to god.

checkmate!!

It’s always checkmate when you play with God

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

It’s always checkmate when you play with God

if god is your opponent - then yes.

the opponents of god will lose !!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

We are told not to fellowship. For a little leaven, leavens the whole.

To avoid confusion between two different issues being (seemingly to me) conflated with one another here, I think we need to bring into our interpretive equation 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 along with our self-application of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Each of these is a different [set] of social scenarios that we need to be more discerning about---one is in relation to those persons 'outside' the Church, and the other is in relation to those persons inside the Church. Somehow, I keep seeing folks getting all of this confused and synthesizing one solid moral principle to apply across the board in the "name of holiness" which wasn't Paul's directive.

 

[HIM]

To avoid confusion between two different issues being (seemingly to me) conflated with one another here, I think we need to bring into our interpretive equation 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 along with our self-application of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Each of these is a different [set] of social scenarios that we need to be more discerning about---one is in relation to those persons 'outside' the Church, and the other is in relation to those persons inside the Church. Somehow, I keep seeing folks getting all of this confused and synthesizing one solid moral principle to apply across the board in the "name of holiness" which wasn't Paul's directive.

I assume you mean 2 Cor 6.
In both circumstances we are called not to fellowship. So whatever point you are trying make is lost in that detail.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I assume you mean 2 Cor 6.
In both circumstances we are called not to fellowship. So whatever point you are trying make is lost in that detail.

No. Did you attempt to read the two passages I cited???? "That detail" is anything but lost. It can be ignored, however.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I assume you mean 2 Cor 6.
In both circumstances we are called not to fellowship. So whatever point you are trying make is lost in that detail.

Obviously, we're not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers, but that's not the issue that I'm pointing to. What I'm attempting to head off at the pass is the excuse some Christians give for utterly cutting off, or feeling like they can opt out from, being loving toward their neighbors.

Loving one's non-Christian neighbor might include things like taking them out for lunch and having an amiable but mutual talk, or mowing their lawn. It doesn't mean patting them on the back for whatever sins we all know that humanity frequently falls into.

So, we can be analytically clear about this distinction and do so to avoid both confusion of terms as well as confusion of our responsibilities.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Cut them off you say . There have been those that have done just that throughout our histories. Being some extreme removing an eye along with other limbs . Cut it off you say. Confused one then there still be much trouble from God if all did. I dare say the God would hold you accountable for failing to go forth and multiply and replenish the earth

In truth, i struggle with the bible a lot - knowing what it is and how to read it. How it should be studied. Sometimes i see nearly the entire new testament as a record of paul's religious ideas. (Obviously he didnt write all of it).

Just because paul believed that - ought i also believe it??
Thats not to say the bible isnt "truth" or spiritually significant to me - it is.
It's just not a rule book to me.

i think i have a mission on earth which is to love whoever im with and do my best in my little bubble of the world.
Im not rushing off all over the world to be a christian rockstar - i have a much humbler part than that.

As for cutting people out. i think there is a difference between righteousness and goodness.
Im not trying to be right all the time - i do love, respect and admire goodness though. the righteous stuff - i'll just have to trust god for that

 

[Bro.T]

Bro homosexuality has been around for a long time be it with men or woman . Heterosexual relationships don’t fare much better with the laws of God when it comes to sex before marriage. Actually there wouldn’t be too much left of western civilisation today if God acted upon those laws to their fullest extent. The power of sexual union is one of the most pleasurable and spiritual experiences known to humanity. So much so that not many keep consistent with the many biblical laws you mention be they heterosexual, homosexual or lesbian

Well, the act itself is an abomination or an abominable act, according to the lord, but nonetheless
the lord will deal with people at the end. We talking the second resurrection, the white throne judgment, but the books says in Revelation 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Bro.T]

What do I think God thinks? I could be completely off base, but I think the Lord thinks of Homosexuality in essentially the same way He does of Straight Folk Fornication and other Adulterated proclivities where body counts are racked up and relationships are just wacked.

On Judgment Day there's not going to be a medal given to those who can say, "Well, at least I was straight."

The book say in Revelation 22: 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The book say in Revelation 22: 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are DOGS, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Right. Exactly.

 

[Bro.T]

Note an alternative translation of these passages:

"Now Rehoboam son of Solomon reigned in Judah. Rehoboam was forty-one years old when he began to reign, and he reigned seventeen years in Jerusalem, the city that the Lord had chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, to put his name there. His mother’s name was Naamah the Ammonite. Judah did what was evil in the sight of the Lord; they provoked him to jealousy with their sins that they committed, more than all that their ancestors had done. For they also built for themselves high places, pillars, and sacred poles on every high hill and under every green tree; there were also illicit priests in the land. They committed all the abominations of the nations that the Lord had driven out before the people of Israel." [I Kings 14:21-24, NRSV]

“None of the daughters of Israel shall serve in an illicit shrine; none of the sons of Israel shall serve in an illicit shrine. You shall not bring the fee of a prostitute or the wages of a dog into the house of the Lord your God in payment for any vow, for both of these are abhorrent to the Lord your God." [Deuteronomy 23:17-18 NRSV]



Where on earth is this coming from?

Therefore Israelites (which are also considered Negroes, African Americans, blacks so on and so forth) that were removed from their land and brought to the northern hemisphere in the hulls of ships and who were sold into slavery do not have a chance!

So this is a part of prophesy that happen to the Israelite, even spoken by Moses in Deuteronomy 28 chapter. The nine tribes was the first to go into slavery and after the days of Jesus the last three tribes went into slavery, under the Romans. The Israelities (Jews) of the Bible, and most noteworthy, the Bad Treatment and Continuous Bad Conditions that were Prophesied to befall the real Israelites if they failed to keep the laws and commandments of God. God promised the Israelites that if they failed to obey him, he would curse them and eventually have them removed from their land and carried as slaves into every nation upon the earth. Israel failed, and God kept his promise.

After the Israelites were remove from the land of Israel, it was left as an empty vacant lot, with know inhabitants. Now, if one can understand that any land which has been emptied of its rightful owners can be claimed by any nationality of people that have power or permission to settle in and possess it, then it should also be easy to understand that nationality of people Which move in it and take over the land can assume (adopt) the culture, history, and even call them self by the name of the people that the they have replaced. After a long period of years, that nationality would be accepted by the rest of the world as being the original and rightful inhabitants of that land. This would especially be true if the original people of the land had been move by force, and carried off as slaves. Such is the case of the real Israelites (Jews)!

When someone else is called by your named it is very easy to become lost and living in your land, while you have been carted off into slavery and are called by whatever nation you are found. After being in slavery for a long period of years, and throughout generations, it would be impossible for your children to remember their history. How can they remember what they were never taught?

But this goes into a whole other lesson

 

[PloverWing]

Okay, but what does any of this have to do with the Africans who were kidnapped into slavery? Are you saying that the Africans were Israelites, or just that both groups endured enslavement, or something else?

Also, the Israelites or Africans who "do not have a chance": they do not have a chance at what?

 

[Kathleen30]

In truth, i struggle with the bible a lot - knowing what it is and how to read it. How it should be studied. Sometimes i see nearly the entire new testament as a record of paul's religious ideas. (Obviously he didnt write all of it).

Just because paul believed that - ought i also believe it??
Thats not to say the bible isnt "truth" or spiritually significant to me - it is.
It's just not a rule book to me.

i think i have a mission on earth which is to love whoever im with and do my best in my little bubble of the world.
Im not rushing off all over the world to be a christian rockstar - i have a much humbler part than that.

As for cutting people out. i think there is a difference between righteousness and goodness.
Im not trying to be right all the time - i do love, respect and admire goodness though. the righteous stuff - i'll just have to trust god for that

Confused one you struggle with the Bible a lot. Well in our own strength it is impossible to understand. But with Gods guiding Spirit his Spirit shall lead us into all truth. And with that the truth does set us free. As to the entirety of the Bible it is like a gold mine with a supply of endless gold nuggets waiting to be discovered to bless our souls as we dig deeper. The riches within are inexhaustible. So much so it’s a life long journey with not all being revealed until come that perfect day.

As to the Apostle Paul I assume you speak of celibacy. It was only Pauls opinion and a wise opinion in many ways with being more flexible with Gods work but certainly not meant for all. Paul may have even been once married but we can’t say for sure. But one thing is certain many of the apostles were married at least according to Paul’s quote in 1st Corinthians 9:5 ( Don’t we have the right to take along a believing wife as do other apostles ) the tradition of priests having to remain single came centuries later with such a oath . And probably not a wise one. As it should have always been optional for many a good servant cannot endure such a oath.

As to the Bible as truth . Well yes the Bible is always truth. The problem is generally with us mere mortals not digging deep enough. As to having a mission in life. Well you certainly don’t need rock star status for that . Quite simply put if you be a child of God then you are already one of Gods elect and God has a plan for you ❤️ it’s called a relationship with God. Learning to love the God with all our hearts ♥️. That be another life long journey: ). Confused one wishing you a blessed day for today . Yours Kathleen

 

[Kathleen30]

Well, the act itself is an abomination or an abominable act, according to the lord, but nonetheless
the lord will deal with people at the end. We talking the second resurrection, the white throne judgment, but the books says in Revelation 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Is it ? Sex is sex and the marriage bed be undefiled. Perhaps outside of marriage any act of sex outside of marriage is deemed abominable to the God. Bro as to Revelations 21: 8 how many within the church lay claim to at least one of those attributes mentioned but have now passed from death unto eternal life who have practiced such things . It can only be referring to those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour

 

[Bro.T]

Is it ? Sex is sex and the marriage bed be undefiled. Perhaps outside of marriage any act of sex outside of marriage is deemed abominable to the God. Bro as to Revelations 21: 8 how many within the church lay claim to at least one of those attributes mentioned but have now passed from death unto eternal life who have practiced such things . It can only be referring to those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their saviour

Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

Paul said in "1 Corinthians 6:9" Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.