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What does "The fear of the Lord"mean?

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I was only saying that scripture is not always necessarily translated properly. One Hebrews scripture that uses the word "fear" isn't translated from the greek word "phobos". The word Church is also a word that isn't always translated the best way. There are two different greek words that get translated as "Church". However they don't necessarily mean the same thing exactly.

This particular Hebrews scripture is translated as fear, yet its not translated from the greek word phobos, so perhaps fear was not the best word to use in this particular scripture, I'm not sure though. Other scriptures do have phobos, but im not sure how many of them do.

Hebrews 12:28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may[a] serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.
The verse you mentioned contains this word:

euvlabei,aj noun genitive feminine singular from euvla,beia
[GING] euvla,beia
euvla,beia, aj, h` awe, reverence, fear of God Hb 12:28; piety 5:7.* [pg 81]

And it's a word present only in 2 verses in the whole testament, and it's another way to tell fear, it's a synonymous (do you know what is a synonymous right?) ; in my language there are 5 or ten ways to say "fear".
So also if you want to be blind there is no way to show that fear doesn't mean fear or which "awe" doesn't mean fear
 
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I was only saying that scripture is not always necessarily translated properly. One Hebrews scripture that uses the word "fear" isn't translated from the greek word "phobos". The word Church is also a word that isn't always translated the best way. There are two different greek words that get translated as "Church". However they don't necessarily mean the same thing exactly.

This particular Hebrews scripture is translated as fear, yet its not translated from the greek word phobos, so perhaps fear was not the best word to use in this particular scripture, I'm not sure though. Other scriptures do have phobos, but im not sure how many of them do.

Hebrews 12:28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may[a] serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.
I forgot to make you notice which the verse you mentioned means "awe" so it is a synonymous of "fear", and there are many other synonymous all over the Bible:

In this verse there are 2 different words which are synonymous: fear and awe; both are used here so there is no way of misunderstanding:
Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. (Isa 8:13 KJV)

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So there are no excuses.
 
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First of all I took the word generally used as "fear" from the old testament (hebrew) and the word generally used as "fear" from the new testament (greek), so don't spread confusion please.
It's translated fear in all the tongues: german, italian, french, spanish.....,because that word means "fear", even in the English jewish translation of the bible (CompleteJewishBible) is translated "fear", Cause every serious scholar or bilingual or a mother-tongue Hebrew knows which that word cannot means nothing but "Fear", so if a common person tries to confuse believers teaching a different meaning, of course I disagree with that; if you want to debate come out with some intelligent reason, don't come out with a lie but come with proofs of what you say (I doubt you have proofs to show the reason which "fear" doesn't mean fear).

Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.


IM not spreading confusion, I was only spreading awareness that no translation is perfect. You're jumping to irrational conclusions.
 
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I forgot to make you notice which the verse you mentioned means "awe" so it is a synonymous of "fear", and there are many other synonymous all over the Bible:

In this verse there are 2 different words which are synonymous: fear and awe; both are used here so there is no way of misunderstanding:
Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. (Isa 8:13 KJV)

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So there are no excuses.

Ok, thank you.
 
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IM not spreading confusion, I was only spreading awareness that no translation is perfect. You're jumping to irrational conclusions.
No, you told you cannot believe that "fear" means fear because translations are not perfect, but that's your own supposition, cause in this case we can fin many synonymous of "fear" in multiple verses all over the Bible, so there is no way to show which what you said is true.
That's it, Nothing personal.
 
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No, you told you cannot believe that "fear" means fear because translations are not perfect, but that's your own supposition, cause in this case we can fin many synonymous of "fear" in multiple verses all over the Bible, so there is no way to show which what you said is true.
That's it, Nothing personal.

That's not what I said at all. I only said that translations are not perfect, and that's true. If anything, I was only suggesting that we should investigate word definitions from the original text language, rather than relying on English translations alone.
 
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IF you note, I never implied that I knew for sure whether that Hebrews scripture was translated correctly, or not. I never asserted anything, I merely raised my concern about it. I also said that I believe fear can be a part of proper reverence. You however took things I said wrong, and you accused me of trying to justify my own needs and desires, and of purposely trying to spread confusion. IM not guilty of any of those things.
 
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Ok, thank you.

Here there are 3 words meaning fear or synonymous in 1 single verse:
Malachi 2:5
My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

1 "the fear.."
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2 "he feared.."
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3 "he was afraid.."
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IF you note, I never implied that I knew for sure whether that Hebrews scripture was translated correctly, or not. I never asserted anything, I merely raised my concern about it. I also said that I believe fear can be a part of proper reverence. You however took things I said wrong, and you accused me of trying to justify my own needs and desires, and of purposely trying to spread confusion. IM not guilty of any of those things.
Ok, I am sorry, forgive me
 
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I'm just wondering what it means to fear the Lord because the Bible says we should have that, but I'm not even sure what it is.
Ps. 34 tells us exactly what fear of the Lord is, to summarize, it is obedience to the Lord of Lords and King of Kings. Verse 11-14
Come, my children, listen to me;
I will teach you the fear of the Lord.
12 Whoever of you loves life
and desires to see many good days,
13 keep your tongue from evil
and your lips from telling lies.
14 Turn from evil and do good;
seek peace and pursue it.
 
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Ok, I am sorry, forgive me

No problem.

I once believed that fear does actually mean fear. And I'm still not sure that it doesn't, despite what others say to the contrary. I debated the word with others who said that it actually meant awe, or reverance instead of fear. I looked at the greek word in different scriptures, and I concluded that the word phobos either exclusively means fear, or perhaps it has a double meaning. I was not sure, and I'm still not sure, but I am sure that it does in fact mean fear, that much I'm certain of.

The scripture which says that perfect love casts out fear (1 John 4:18) also uses the word phobos and so phobos surely means fear because it would not make sense for love to cast out reverence. Therefore phobos does mean fear, not reverance, or possible it could mean both, i know that some english words have more than one meaning, so perhaps Greek does as well. I raised the question about 1 John 4:18, but I received no answer.

Perhaps even after being perfected in love we can still have fear, but maybe Gods love will cast it out each time, as we pray and wait on him, or perhaps it means something else. I really don't know, and I try not to fret over it, but instead try to live each day, one at a time, in faith.
 
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No problem.

I once believed that fear does actually mean fear. And I'm still not sure that it doesn't, despite what others say to the contrary. I debated the word with others who said that it actually meant awe, or reverance instead of fear. I looked at the greek word in different scriptures, and I concluded that the word phobos either exclusively means fear, or perhaps it has a double meaning. I was not sure, and I'm still not sure, but I am sure that it does in fact mean fear, that much I'm certain of.

The scripture which says that perfect love casts out fear (1 John 4:18) also uses the word phobos and so phobos surely means fear because it would not make sense for love to cast out reverence. Therefore phobos does mean fear, not reverance, or possible it could mean both, i know that some english words have more than one meaning, so perhaps Greek does as well. I raised the question about 1 John 4:18, but I received no answer.

Perhaps even after being perfected in love we can still have fear, but maybe Gods love will cast it out each time, as we pray and wait on him, or perhaps it means something else. I really don't know, and I try not to fret over it, but instead try to live each day, one at a time, in faith.
combine I John 4:18 with Psalms 34:11-14...if we are obedient, there is nothing to fear. If we are not obedient, we have something to fear. Perfecting Love is about obedience as well, consider John 14:15, it all fits very well together. If we are still not yet perfected by Love, there is sin in our lives and that sin should cause us to fear. A fear not just of punishment but of being separated from our Lord, King, Father, Daddy, God.

I Purpose to you that the fear of the Lord is about both reverence as in understanding who He is and fear as in in knowing who He is, anything that can stand between us is something to be afraid of. The good news is grace, so confessing and repenting helps to continue the work He has begun and is perfecting us in our faith so that fear becomes a distant memory that keep us focused on obedience.
 
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One thing seems sure, we are taught not to fear man. Many people will claim to be perfected in love, but they will fear man. Their fear is often manifested in politics and other avenues of strife and conflict. They will follow politicians into war and not think twice about it. I was like that once, but now i avoid politics altogether, and i try not to concern myself with economics or homeland security either, because that is contrary to the faith in Christ that we are taught. I try not to worry about terrorists or economics either, because that is fear of man. I try to put faith in God, faith that he will take care of my needs and take care of terrorists as well. What else can i do? Thats what we are taught, so i must follow it, in faith.

Politics seem like covetousness, fear, and faithlessness to me. We fear terrorist, and want mans help instead of Gods help. We want more than we have and that is not being content in all situations like paul teaches. He said that he learned to be content in all situations. I cannot see paul supporting any war efforts either, it doesn't seem like the example that he left us.




ITs interesting how these two scriptures seem to go so well together. The Hebrews scripture seems to be quoting Psalm 56


Psalm 56:3Whenever I am afraid,
I will trust in You.

4 In God (I will praise His word),
In God I have put my trust;
I will not fear.
What can flesh do to me?



Hebrews 13:5 Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”[a] 6 So we may boldly say:


“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear.
What can man do to me?”[b
 
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combine I John 4:18 with Psalms 34:11-14...if we are obedient, there is nothing to fear. If we are not obedient, we have something to fear. Perfecting Love is about obedience as well, consider John 14:15, it all fits very well together. If we are still not yet perfected by Love, there is sin in our lives and that sin should cause us to fear. A fear not just of punishment but of being separated from our Lord, King, Father, Daddy, God.

I Purpose to you that the fear of the Lord is about both reverence as in understanding who He is and fear as in in knowing who He is, anything that can stand between us is something to be afraid of. The good news is grace, so confessing and repenting helps to continue the work He has begun and is perfecting us in our faith so that fear becomes a distant memory that keep us focused on obedience.

Sounds logical, and I agree that you may be correct. I have considered that before, and I still consider it.
 
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combine I John 4:18 with Psalms 34:11-14...if we are obedient, there is nothing to fear. If we are not obedient, we have something to fear. Perfecting Love is about obedience as well, consider John 14:15, it all fits very well together. If we are still not yet perfected by Love, there is sin in our lives and that sin should cause us to fear. A fear not just of punishment but of being separated from our Lord, King, Father, Daddy, God.

I Purpose to you that the fear of the Lord is about both reverence as in understanding who He is and fear as in in knowing who He is, anything that can stand between us is something to be afraid of. The good news is grace, so confessing and repenting helps to continue the work He has begun and is perfecting us in our faith so that fear becomes a distant memory that keep us focused on obedience.
Psalm 111, with its emphasis on reverential fear, is another important passage.
 
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Psalm 111, with its emphasis on reverential fear, is another important passage.


Yes that's interesting, especially in the context of Gods chastening.

10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;
all who follow his precepts have good understanding.
To him belongs eternal praise
 
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When I was in college, a friend and I walked to the church to pray. We had been studying Moses taking off his shoes and standing on holy ground and so, when we got to the church we decided to take off our shoes and stand on holy ground. Before we made our way to the alter to pray, we fell to our knees in the presence of a holy God. We fell, not because we were forced, but because in His presence, there was no other choice. There was awe mixed with fear that day, as there is every moment of every day as I struggle to be the servant God has called me to be.

See, I have no issue with it being both, because that day I saw both so clearly. I purpose to always stand on holy ground in the presence of my Lord and King and in that know both the perfecting Love of my Lord and King and the godly fear of knowing who He really is.
 
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I'm just wondering what it means to fear the Lord because the Bible says we should have that, but I'm not even sure what it is.

Proverbs 1:7King James Version (KJV)
7 The fear of the Lord(JESUS) is the beginning of knowledge(KNOWLEDGE OF GOD): but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Upon hearing the word of God by the gospel men believe Jesus is the Lord(God), and with this is the fear of the one who will judge your soul in the last day: which is the reason men repent to him, calling on his name for mercy being water baptized: which is also how men keep his commandments: these are the good ground which receive the word of God and understand it, which is to say, believe it: keep it.

Psalm 111:10King James Version (KJV)
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Much love to you.


 
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No problem.

I once believed that fear does actually mean fear. And I'm still not sure that it doesn't, despite what others say to the contrary. I debated the word with others who said that it actually meant awe, or reverance instead of fear. I looked at the greek word in different scriptures, and I concluded that the word phobos either exclusively means fear, or perhaps it has a double meaning. I was not sure, and I'm still not sure, but I am sure that it does in fact mean fear, that much I'm certain of.

The scripture which says that perfect love casts out fear (1 John 4:18) also uses the word phobos and so phobos surely means fear because it would not make sense for love to cast out reverence. Therefore phobos does mean fear, not reverance, or possible it could mean both, i know that some english words have more than one meaning, so perhaps Greek does as well. I raised the question about 1 John 4:18, but I received no answer.

Perhaps even after being perfected in love we can still have fear, but maybe Gods love will cast it out each time, as we pray and wait on him, or perhaps it means something else. I really don't know, and I try not to fret over it, but instead try to live each day, one at a time, in faith.

The verse you mentioned is nice because basically John explains which the one that has fear is the one which doesn't love, and the man who doesn't love is the sinner who breaks the commandments (Proverbs 8:13; Ecclesiastes 12:13), so here it talks about the fear to be judged, not the Fear of God, cause to fear God means to observe is commandments, and who observe the commandments loves his neighbour and loves God (1 John 5:1-3) so his love is complete in the love of God and has no fear of the judgement because he knows he is observing God commandments and he is doing right, but if we break the commandments we are not perfect in love and our consciousness is dirty and we fear the judgement of God because we had not fear of God in observing His C., cause if we fear Him we observe his commandments, but if we don't fear God we sin and we break the commandments and we have no love and we start to have fear of the judgement.

So, the "Fear of God" and "Fear of the Judgement" are 2 different things.
I even explained this in my first reply in the first page in a more simple and direct way.
Fear means fear and there is no doubt in that, phobe means also phobia which means fear, the same is for the latin "phobia" and even in spanish and italian is "fobia"
so there is no doubt which phobia, means fear, and that's worldly accorded.
 
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