What does 'objective' actually mean?

[Ana the Ist]

Likely, he is talking more to himself and trying desperately to keep his personal faith beliefs safe.

Indeed, that's how I've read his posts for some time. Reason has slowly crept into his mind...forming a pool of doubt.

 

[Chriliman]

This statement appears to imply that we do not need to conduct empirical investigations to discover truths about the world. Almost no one believes this, I suggest.

I whole heartedly agree that we as humans do for sure because we're not all knowing.

 

[Chriliman]

I've asked this question several times to you and I think you've ignored it every time:

What do you hope to gain if no atheist is ever going to listen to your fallacious arguments?

Understanding.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Understanding.

Of?

 

[Chriliman]

Of?

Of what's true.

 

[bhsmte]

Of what's true.

Based on your track record, not sure too many are going to come running to you to determine what the truth is.

 

[Chriliman]

Based on your track record, not sure too many are going to come running to you to determine what the truth is.

Even if that were the case, should I let that stop me from seeking truth?

 

[bhsmte]

Even if that were the case, should I let that stop me from seeking truth?

We were talking about others.

For you specifically, do what you like, knock yourself out.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Of what's true.

I find it's difficult to understand reality if my reasoning is fallacious.

How about you?

 

[Chriliman]

I find it's difficult to understand reality if my reasoning is fallacious.

How about you?

It's impossible to understand reality if your reasoning is fallacious.

 

[Freodin]

It's impossible to understand reality if your reasoning is fallacious.

And you don't think that hinders you on your quest for truth?

 

[quatona]

So science does allow us to be perfectly objective about specific scientific tests?

So you silently raised the bar from "objective" to "perfectly objective"?
I think, if you value objectivity (which you seem to do), you would do well to acknowledge and appreciate it when a certain approach is relatively objective (i.e. more objective than another one).

 

[Chriliman]

And you don't think that hinders you on your quest for truth?

Fallacious reasoning would hinder my search for truth.

Anyone who doesn't know that has not come accross fallacious reasoning, either in themselves or others.

 

[Chriliman]

So you silently raised the bar from "objective" to "perfectly objective"?
I think, if you value objectivity (which you seem to do), you would do well to acknowledge and appreciate it when a certain approach is relatively objective (i.e. more objective than another one).

Good point

 

[Freodin]

Fallacious reasoning would hinder my search for truth.

Anyone who doesn't know that has not come accross fallacious reasoning, either in themselves or others.

So, wouldn't it be better to stop using fallacious reasoning?

 

[HitchSlap]

I whole heartedly agree that we as humans do for sure because we're not all knowing.

Well, to be fair, it seems like humans are the only ones doing science.

 

[HitchSlap]

Fallacious reasoning would hinder my search for truth.

Which is why we're so insistent of helping you see your errors.

You really should pay attention to everyone here.

Anyone who doesn't know that has not come accross fallacious reasoning, either in themselves or others.

Yes, we all know your reasoning is fallacious. It's been pointed out hundreds of times. So what's your excuse?

 

[Chriliman]

Which is why we're so insistent of helping you see your errors.

You really should pay attention to everyone here.


Yes, we all know your reasoning is fallacious. It's been pointed out hundreds of times. So what's your excuse?

Every time you've pointed out fallacious reasoning was because you didn't understand what I was saying. Just because you don't understand does not mean my reasoning is fallscious. <look! Right there is sound reason, can you see it?

 

[HitchSlap]

Every time you've pointed out fallacious reasoning was because you didn't understand what I was saying. Just because you don't understand does not mean my reasoning is fallscious. <look! Right there is sound reason, can you see it?

I'm not responsible for you poor communication skills.

 

[quatona]

Every time you've pointed out fallacious reasoning was because you didn't understand what I was saying.

Every time you rejected our explanations was because you didn´t understand what we were saying.