What does "He descended into Hell" mean?

[EmilyF]

This is a very interesting thread. I'm going to have to read it more in depth and follow the links when I dont have two kids begging me for attention.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hahaha descended into death . so which greek word was it in the manuscript?

i'd imagine it meant he went into the grave?

 

[Andrew12]

Well in some traditional protestant views, they believe that Jesus went to Hell/sheol (b/c before Christ there was no other alternative) and retrieved those that had kept the faith. ie Abraham, david, jacob, isaac, etc etc..

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Andrew, have you considered the psalm that says those who make, rely on, or worship idols without senses become like that in the afterlife?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Andrew, have you considered the psalm that says those who make, rely on, or worship idols without senses become like that in the afterlife?

Don't you mean "in-censes"

 

[Andrew12]

Andrew, have you considered the psalm that says those who make, rely on, or worship idols without senses become like that in the afterlife?

I'm not sure.. I use a good ole KJV, so I'd need a scriptural reference.


...and for the record, in case this is one line of thought, My previous post was stating the tradional view of some protestant denominations/sub-denoms. Not necessarily mine.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Don't you mean "in-censes"

Tee hee!

I'm not sure.. I use a good ole KJV, so I'd need a scriptural reference.


...and for the record, in case this is one line of thought, My previous post was stating the tradional view of some protestant denominations/sub-denoms. Not necessarily mine.

I also was giving a point to consider . i looked it up . Psalm 115 emphasis verses 4-8

 

[Andrew12]

Tee hee!



I also was giving a point to consider . i looked it up . Psalm 115 emphasis verses 4-8

I'll pull that up on the eSword and give it a reread. Haven't read through psalms in a while.

ETA: I see good stuff in 115. I think that's why some denoms specify only those that had kept the faith... so.. would that include Ham, the father of Canaan? Didn't Noah curse him in Gensesis 9:25?


really makes ya think about which Bible people "Kept the faith" eh?

 

[Knee V]

Before Christ died and rose from the dead He said, "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." Those who have fallen asleep, even before Christ, are/were alive somewhere.

 

[Timothew]

I grew up Methodist and the traditional version of the Apostle's Creed reads as follows:

And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried

I believe that is the earlier version of the creed.

 

[Timothew]

Hahaha descended into death . so which greek word was it in the manuscript?

i'd imagine it meant he went into the grave?

I haven't seen the Apostles Creed in greek. Was the original in greek or latin? IDK. I'm at "work" now, could someone look it up?

 

[ebyown]

i believe that Psalm 88 is YAHSHUA's prayer while suffering death. Even in death He wanted to praise His Father and declare His mercy and faithfulness. And just as He asks in the Psalm His Father did raise Him from the dead to praise Him. read it as if YAHSHUA was praying it from the dead because that is what it is. see what it reveals.

Psalm 88
A Song. A Psalm by the sons of Korah. For the Chief Musician.
To the tune of "The Suffering of Affliction."
A contemplation by Heman, the Ezrahite.
(Son to Father during His death and suffering for our sins)
88:1 YHVH, the 'Elohiym of My Salvation (YAHSHUA),
I have cried day and night before You.
88:2 Let My prayer enter into Your presence.
Turn Your ear to My cry.
88:3 For My soul is full of troubles.
My life draws near to Sheol.
88:4 I am counted among those who go down into the pit.
I am like a Man Who has no Help,

88:5 set apart among the dead,
like the slain who lie in the grave,
whom You remember no more.
they are cut off from Your hand.
88:6 You have laid Me in the lowest pit,
in the darkest depths.
88:7 Your wrath lies heavily on Me.
You have afflicted Me with all Your waves.
Selah.
88:8 You have taken My friends from Me.
You have made Me an Abomination to them.
I am confined, and I can’t escape.
88:9 My eyes are dim from grief.
I have called on You daily, YHVH.
I have spread out My hands to You.
88:10 Do You show wonders to the Dead?
Do the Dead rise up and praise You?
Selah.
88:11 Is Your mercy declared in the grave?
Or Your faithfulness in destruction?
88:12 Are Your wonders made known in the dark?
Or Your righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?
88:13 But to You, YHVH, I have cried.
In the morning, My prayer comes before You.
88:14 YHVH, why do You reject My soul?
Why do You hide Your face from Me?
88:15 I am afflicted and ready to die from My youth up.
While I suffer Your terrors, I am distraught.
88:16 Your fierce wrath has gone over Me.
Your terrors have cut Me off.
88:17 they came around Me like water all day long.
they completely engulfed Me.
88:18 You have put beloved and friend far from Me,
and My familiar friends are darkness.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'll pull that up on the eSword and give it a reread. Haven't read through psalms in a while.

ETA: I see good stuff in 115. I think that's why some denoms specify only those that had kept the faith... so.. would that include Ham, the father of Canaan? Didn't Noah curse him in Gensesis 9:25?


really makes ya think about which Bible people "Kept the faith" eh?

Well, i look at it sorta like Jesus went into the grave and those who could hear him went with him .. those who couldn't because they made themselves "senseless" in this life .. will need to encounter the lake of "pur" this is probably why the outer darkness and fire are described synonymously . if one is blind it will seem dark won't it?

But In this context i live in that question . the OT doesn't really talk about a lake of fire . but it gets introduced into the NT along with concepts such as God is love . and always forgive people so you can be like God who always forgives . love your enemies not just those who are good to you so you can be like God is .. really? God is like that? the common teaching on judgment .. seems to present someone else . so i live in that question .

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I haven't seen the Apostles Creed in greek. Was the original in greek or latin? IDK. I'm at "work" now, could someone look it up?

i was talking about the gospel reference .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does anyone have any thoughts concerning this parable I posted awhile back? Thanks

http://www.christianforums.com/t7582447-2/#post58210956

 

[FaithPrevails]

I haven't seen the Apostles Creed in greek. Was the original in greek or latin? IDK. I'm at "work" now, could someone look it up?

I believe it was Greek. Also, the Methodist site indicates that this was a deviation of the original Roman's Creed. (Getting in over my head on a Biblical scholar level now ).

 

[FaithPrevails]

Does anyone have any thoughts concerning this parable I posted awhile back? Thanks

http://www.christianforums.com/t7582447-2/#post58210956

Once a parable, always a parable?

 

[Timothew]

i was talking about the gospel reference .

Oops, sorry.
Luke 16:22 has ἐτάφη, (etaphe) which is buried. "to celebrate funeral rites, i.e. Inter -- bury." Strongs

Luke 16:23 says Hades, like LLOJ said.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Oops, sorry.
Luke 16:22 has ἐτάφη, (etaphe) which is buried. "to celebrate funeral rites, i.e. Inter -- bury." Strongs

Luke 16:23 says Hades, like LLOJ said.

Awesome . thanks . i suspected it was because of other contexts but i really appreciate you looking that up. bless

 

[Stryder06]

Not quite.

Sheol/hades meant the immediate afterlife, where souls waited until the resurrection.

In psalms 16:10 David says
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (sheol); neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

How would one's soul see corruption in the afterlife?