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so this isnt a car if it has a self replicating system and made from organic component according to your criteria:

The illustration is of a car, not of a self-replicating organic system. Cars are not self-replicating organic systems.

As I said, if you have questions about self-replicating organic modes of transport and what to call them, try asking about horses - oh, wait... they already have a name - horses
 
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Alternatively, try to wake up, or seek psychiatric help...
 
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But if xianghua calls a horse a "car" that will prove that the horse is designed. That seems to be his line of argument.
 
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i talking about this object, just with living traits:



you will conclude design or not in this case? i will conclude design of course, even if it has a living traits.
would it have living cells, DNA, a heart, and lungs, and reproduce by having babies that grow to adults? Then it would not look like that.
 
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...it means we are evolving, but unlike Darwin, I'm assuming that we are physically evolving necessarily for the better (assuming God gives us that much more time to continue to do so ...)
 
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I often wondered why little kids behaved like monkeys?
They play on monkey bars until they're old enough to use monkey wrenches.
 
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They play on monkey bars until they're old enough to use monkey wrenches.
What's that expression ...
don't take it seriously I'm just monkeying around.

Seems we have a built in excuse for pranking ...
 
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Google "designer babies". It's amazing we can do stuff like that.
Then there's also genetically manipulated food these days.

There's also the DNA alterations when we for example remove certain cancer causing genes from embryo's etc.

The amount of stuff we can do, will only grow each year.

We wouldn't be able to do any of that, if we didn't properly understand how DNA works.
 
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Ow boy, do they have better short term memory...
It's actually quite amazing what they can do...



Here's that other experiment I was talking about, with the box and the "unecessary movements" that human childs just continued to do, while chimps were "smart enough" to not bother with them and go straight to the food

 
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realy? so if you will find an object like this one (just that made from organic components and has a self replicating system):



you will not consider it as a car?

So, if we would find an object like "that one, only completely different"?
Well, then it would be completely different and continuing calling it the same name, would be kind of useless.
 
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What's that expression ...
don't take it seriously I'm just monkeying around.

Seems we have a built in excuse for pranking ...
Why would one want to act like our distant ancestors, when humans have evolved brains that do so much more?
 
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would it have living cells, DNA, a heart, and lungs, and reproduce by having babies that grow to adults? Then it would not look like that.
all it need is a self replicating system with variations and organic components. you will not consider it as a design product?
 
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So, if we would find an object like "that one, only completely different"?
Well, then it would be completely different and continuing calling it the same name, would be kind of useless.

so this isnt a car if it has living traits:



fine. i will still call it a car because its function and looks like a car.
 
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i will still call it a car because its function and looks like a car.

Except it won't. Part of a car's physical appearance and function is a result of its physical makeup. You can't change the entire physical makeup of something and have it retain the same appearance, design or function.

Apparently the universe inside your head works a lot differently than the real one.
 
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why not? a car that made from different components isnt a car?
 
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Because that's how matter works. Things like physical appearance, function, etc is a result of the fundamental physical properties of something.

I suggest reading up on basic physics and/or chemistry if you really don't understand this.

a car that made from different components isnt a car?

"Components" is too loose a term. You're talking about changing the fundamental materials, properties, literally everything that makes up a car. When you completely change something into something else, it's no longer the same thing.

This is how the universe works. You can either accept that and accept reality, or you can keep imaging your own fantasy universe where everything works different. But again, your imagination is not real life.
 
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so if we had something that look like this (just with living traits) you cant say its a car anymore?:

 
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