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What does destroy mean?

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Jesus said: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28 (NIV)

What does this word "destroy" mean? Because Jesus says both soul and body? Does that mean we will be as if we never were?

In the passage from Zechariah 13:8-9, "struck down and perish" refers to a divine judgment where two-thirds of the people will face destruction and death. This is a way of expressing the severity of God's judgment on those who do not follow His ways. The remaining one-third will undergo a process of refinement and purification.
 

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A theory that I have heard advanced is that it refers to the loss of the image of God.

I'm not sure how that would be the case, but given that this place of torment is referred to as the Lake of Fire and Sulfur, I'm pretty sure whoever lives there on a regular basis will be regularly charred beyond all recognition. If you've ever seen the damage of burn victims here on Earth, it's really nasty stuff.

Likewise, being separated from God forever has to be incredibly damaging to the soul of man, adrift from guidance from the thing we are supposed to reflect.
 
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Destroy from Matt


  1. to destroy
    1. to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin
    2. render useless
    3. to kill
    4. to declare that one must be put to death
    5. metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell
    6. to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed
  2. to destroy
    1. to lose
 
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Jesus said: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28 (NIV)

What does this word "destroy" mean? Because Jesus says both soul and body? Does that mean we will be as if we never were?

In the passage from Zechariah 13:8-9, "struck down and perish" refers to a divine judgment where two-thirds of the people will face destruction and death. This is a way of expressing the severity of God's judgment on those who do not follow His ways. The remaining one-third will undergo a process of refinement and purification.
destroy in Matt 10 is an upgrade from "kill".

It means not only to kill - but also to destroy.

In vs 28 "kill the body but cannot kill the soul"
rather fear Him who is able to "DESTROY both" in fiery hell.

It is an increase from kill - to destroy
 
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Jesus said: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28 (NIV)

What does this word "destroy" mean? Because Jesus says both soul and body? Does that mean we will be as if we never were?

In the passage from Zechariah 13:8-9, "struck down and perish" refers to a divine judgment where two-thirds of the people will face destruction and death. This is a way of expressing the severity of God's judgment on those who do not follow His ways. The remaining one-third will undergo a process of refinement and purification.
Ezek 28: -- for example
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, you covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Your heart was haughty because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.
I threw you to the ground;
I put you before kings,
That they may see you.
18 By the multitude of your wrongdoings,
In the unrighteousness of your trade
You profaned your sanctuaries.
Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you;
It has consumed you,
And I have turned you to ashes on the earth
In the eyes of all who see you.
19 All who know you among the peoples
Are appalled at you;
You have become terrified
And you will cease to be forever.”’”
 
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Jesus said: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28 (NIV)

What does this word "destroy" mean? Because Jesus says both soul and body? Does that mean we will be as if we never were?

In the passage from Zechariah 13:8-9, "struck down and perish" refers to a divine judgment where two-thirds of the people will face destruction and death. This is a way of expressing the severity of God's judgment on those who do not follow His ways. The remaining one-third will undergo a process of refinement and purification.
destroy = to ruin
 
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Jesus said: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28 (NIV)

What does this word "destroy" mean? Because Jesus says both soul and body? Does that mean we will be as if we never were?

In the passage from Zechariah 13:8-9, "struck down and perish" refers to a divine judgment where two-thirds of the people will face destruction and death. This is a way of expressing the severity of God's judgment on those who do not follow His ways. The remaining one-third will undergo a process of refinement and purification.
A soul is the total composition of a person ... a soul is a human being.

When the Lord returns all the saved get new bodies and go to heaven to be with him ... we are there for 1,000 years and then the 2nd resurrection happens (the not saved) and they are raised mortal and then destroyed for eternity.

When Jesus is talking about both soul and body he's talking about our earthly existence ... the complete earthly being.
 
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If she burns it to charcoal. . .
With my wife she would forget to plug the toaster in and it would not get cooked at all. If you burn it you can always scrape that off with a butter knife. Isn't that what they make those knives for?
 
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A soul is the total composition of a person ... a soul is a human being.

When the Lord returns all the saved get new bodies and go to heaven to be with him ... we are there for 1,000 years and then
the 2nd resurrection happens (the not saved) and they are raised mortal and then destroyed for eternity.
That personal interpretation of prophetic riddle (Nu 12:8) is contrary to authoritative NT apostolic teaching of 1 Th 4:14-17, where there is only one resurrection of all mankind, at the end of time.
When Jesus is talking about both soul and body he's talking about our earthly existence ... the complete earthly being.
 
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That personal interpretation of prophetic riddle (Nu 12:8) is contrary to authoritative NT apostolic teaching of 1 Th 4:14-17, where there is only one resurrection of all mankind, at the end of time.
The Bible says that in heaven Christ “will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). The Bible gives us a hint of what we will be like in its account of Jesus' transfiguration. (You can read it in Luke 9:28-36.)


1 Corinthians 15:40​

There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
 
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The Bible says that in heaven Christ “will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body” (Philippians 3:21).
The Bible does not say that will happen in heaven.
The Bible says that will happen when Jesus comes at the resurrection where we are raised imperishable, and those still alive when he comes "will be changed" (1 Co 15:52).
The Bible gives us a hint of what we will be like in its account of Jesus' transfiguration. (You can read it in Luke 9:28-36.)

1 Corinthians 15:40​

There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another.
Our bodies will be as Jesus' resurrection body was--spiritual (sinless), physical, glorified (1 Co 15:42-44, 49).
 
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Cynical answer: It means everything but "destroy".
Biblical answer: It is loss of well-being, not loss of being itself (Lk 5:37, 15:4, 6, 24, Jn 6:27, 1 Pe 1:7, Mt 2:13, 8:25, 22:7, 27:20, etc.)
 
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destroy = to ruin
  • Physical Harm: In extreme cases, it might imply a threat of physical violence.
  • Emotional/Psychological Harm: It can also refer to causing severe emotional or psychological damage, such as through bullying, manipulation, or harassment.
  • Professional/Personal Reputation: In a competitive or professional setting, it might mean they plan to ruin the person's career, reputation, or personal life through negative actions or exposure.
  • Competition: In sports or games, it can mean they plan to overwhelmingly defeat the other person.
 
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The Greek word here has, from what I can tell, roughly the same range of meanings as the English word "destroy" can mean. Some make the case that destroy means to utterly annhilate, to cause something to cease to exist entirely; which is where some come to believe in Annihilationism. I'm not convinced of this view.

2 Peter 3:6 speaks of the world being destroyed by water during the flood; and verse 7 says the heavens and the earth will, likewise, experience the same by fire. Yet there was not a total annihilation, an erasure from existence, of the world by the flood, nor does the coming destruction by fire indicate the total annihilation of material creation; indeed Paul in Romans 8 instead speaks of the coming redemption of all creation, even as the Prophet Isaiah had spoken of a new heavens and a new earth, which St. John of Patmos repeats in the Revelation, whereby God makes all creation new. So that such destruction is not total annihilation; the natural created order came still existed after the flood, and it still will exist after the coming fire--this destruction speaks of judgment, and indeed the end of something. The flood was the end of things as they had been before the flood; and through the coming Judgment there will come an end to the way of things as they are now, and by making all things new the former way of things will be gone.

I would argue that the eschatological language of destruction should be understood within this larger context of Judgment and the ending of this present age, which is reserved for fire. All the evil of this present age shall be burned up, even as St. Paul speaks of Christians whose works will be judged, and there will be those who are saved, but as though through fire (1 Corinthians 3:15). There is that which has its end in destruction, judgment, and fire; and there is that which shall exist for eternity in the good new creation of the Age to Come.

So what happens when a person is entirely tied to that which is to be destroyed? Well St. John in the Revelation offers us the vision and image of a lake of fire, which is called "the second death".

So that all certainly sounds like it could be total annihilation, perhaps in some sense; and yet we also see in Scripture that the experience of these things is not the total annihilation of a person's existence; but is somehow persistent. Second death is not the erasure from existence; but is somehow a continued existence.

Because Scripture does indicate some kind of continued existence for the wicked, such as where Jesus calls the fires of Gehenna "age-enduring fire" or "eternal fire" where "the worm does not die" it has led to many, most even, in the Church to reject annihilationist views, and that instead there is some kind of ongoing existence for the wicked. Now, what that ongoing existence is, or even if it is entirely correct to call it an existence at all (perhaps we could call it a kind of sub-existence) is not entirely clear.

In the same way that trying to conceive of the glories of the Age to Come is near impossible, "What no eye has seen, no ear has heard..." "We see but through a dim glass..."; so also we have bare any way to conceive of what this persistence in destruction, this second death, really means. But one this is certain, Scripture considers this outcome incredibly serious; something to be avoided with as much intensity as the good of the future world is to be longed for.

I think we should avoid being very dogmatic about such things. But I think we can reasonably say some things.

As someone who does not subscribe to Eternal Conscious Torment, Annihilationism, nor Universalism, I try to avoid being overly dogmatic about certain things. But I do believe that the language of destruction is eschatological, and is tied to the idea that this present age--with all its evil and suffering--has a definitive end; and such things having no place in the Age to Come also means that we, ourselves, are to be people of that future age, rather than this one. That is, is my life a life redeemed and made new--and being made new--by the grace of God, the power of the Spirit, and abiding in Christ; or is my life thoroughly grounded in the sin and evil of this present age--am I in Christ, and therefore partake of the life of Christ who has overcome death, destroyed hell, and who reigns from the heavens and who in the end shall unite heaven and earth together under His rule; or am I outside of Christ, outside of the city where there is no refuge.

If we are each akin to the prodigal son, do we remain living in the pig slop forever, or do we come into the open arms of a loving father who has a home prepared for us. What does it look like if the prodigal son never returned home?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Jesus said: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28 (NIV)

What does this word "destroy" mean? Because Jesus says both soul and body? Does that mean we will be as if we never were?

In the passage from Zechariah 13:8-9, "struck down and perish" refers to a divine judgment where two-thirds of the people will face destruction and death. This is a way of expressing the severity of God's judgment on those who do not follow His ways. The remaining one-third will undergo a process of refinement and purification.
The word DESTROY // APOLLYMI is in the Aorist TENSE , Active VOICE , in the INFINITIVE and read in VINES GREK TEXT , G622

and mean going to HELL !!

DAN P
 
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