I've heard that many people say of themselves they are "born-again Christians", I was just curious what that means... don't have that in my language... 
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What does "born-again" mean?
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It means they believe they've 'accepted Jesus into their heart' and been born again via protestant grace, where they are forgiven for everything because Jesus is in their life and they asked Jesus to save them from their sins. Admit, believe, choose-- that thing.I've heard that many people say of themselves they are "born-again Christians", I was just curious what that means... don't have that in my language...
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It means having God's essence , His life giving Spirit burning within , lighting your path , correcting your mistakes and making it natuaral to Love God.
Those who think that it means getting rid of the old flesh , our fallen nature are wrong.
Regeneration is God's Sovereign act , He get's children by this New birth .
Some think it can be produced at Baptism , but this is not in the Bible.
Without it you cannot see (perceive) the Kingdom of God , or know the Peace of God.
Those who think that it means getting rid of the old flesh , our fallen nature are wrong.
Regeneration is God's Sovereign act , He get's children by this New birth .
Some think it can be produced at Baptism , but this is not in the Bible.
Without it you cannot see (perceive) the Kingdom of God , or know the Peace of God.
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It means that one has been Baptized in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with water with the intent of bringing one into the Christian family.
Love throwing wrenches into the mix.
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Love throwing wrenches into the mix.
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Yes it most certainly is my friend. Would you like to meet me in GT?cygnusx1 said:
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er , could we have a scripture for that............I love catching wenches....I mean wrenchesMiss Shelby said:It means that one has been Baptized in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with water with the intent of bringing one into the Christian family.
Love throwing wrenches into the mix.
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It's a symbolic thing, death in one life and birth into a new one. I imagine that part of the appeal of saying born-again as opposed to, say, renewed, Is how Jesus-like it seems. A person's old life dies and descends into Hell, after a time, that person sees the light and is born again to walk the earth, after a time, they die again, literally this time and ascend into heaven.
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The practice of baptism as a religious symbol did not begin with Jesus. Baptism, which means literally the immersion in water, was practiced among the people of the Old Testament as well as the people who belonged to pagan religions. The universal meaning of baptism is that of "starting anew," of dying to an old, way of life and being born again into a new way of life. Thus, baptism was always connected with repentance which means a moral conversion, a "change of mind," a change in living from something old and bad to something new and good. [/font]
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Baptism in the Church begins with the rejection of Satan and the acceptance of Christ. Before being baptized, a person -- or his sponsors or godparents for him -- officially proclaims the symbol of Christian faith, the Creed. Because the godparent speaks on behalf of the child, sponsors his entrance into the Church and "receives" the child out of the baptismal waters into the Church and cares for his spiritual life, the godparent himself must be a member of the Church. [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After the proclamation of faith, the baptismal water is prayed over and blessed as the sign of the goodness of God's creation. The person to be baptized is also prayed over and blessed with sanctified oil as the sign that his creation by God is holy and good. And then, after the solemn proclamation of "Alleluia" (God be praised), the person is immersed three times in the water in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Through the act of immersion, the baptized person dies to this world and is born again in the resurrection of Christ into eternal life. He is clothed with the "garments of salvation" symbolized by the white baptismal robe which is the "new humanity" of Jesus himself who is the new and heavenly Adam (See Jn 3, Rom 5, 1 Cor 15). Thus, the words of the Apostle Paul are chanted as the newly-baptized is led in procession around the baptismal font three times as the symbol of his procession to the Kingdom of God and his entrance into eternal life: "For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Alleluia" (Gal 3:27). [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In ancient times this procession was made from the baptistery to the church where the newly-baptized received Holy Communion at the celebration of the Divine Liturgy. Baptisms were normally done in connection with the Easter Liturgy; our present procession around the church building on Easter night is nothing more than our remembrance that we are baptized, that we have left the life of this world to enter the eternal life of the Risen Christ in the Kingdom of God. This new life is given to us in the life of the Church, most specifically in the Divine Liturgy. Before the baptismal procession and the reading of the Epistle and the Gospel is fulfilled in the reception of Holy Communion, however, the newly-baptized is given the gift of the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Chrismation. [/font]
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thus, in the Gospel we find John the Baptist baptizing the people as a sign of repentance in preparation for the Kingdom of God which was coming to men with Christ the Messiah. Christ himself was baptized by John not because he was sinful and needed to repent, but because in allowing himself to be baptized he showed that indeed he was God's "Beloved Son," the Saviour and Messiah, the "Lamb of God who takes upon himself the sins of the world" (See Mt 3, Mk 1, Lk 3, Jn 1-3). [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the Christian Church the practice of baptism takes on a new and particular significance. It no longer remains merely a sign of moral change and spiritual rebirth. It becomes very specifically the act of a person's death and resurrection in and with Jesus. Christian baptism is man's participation in the event of Easter. It is a "new birth by water and the Holy Spirit" into the Kingdom of God (Jn 3:5). [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Baptism in the Church begins with the rejection of Satan and the acceptance of Christ. Before being baptized, a person -- or his sponsors or godparents for him -- officially proclaims the symbol of Christian faith, the Creed. Because the godparent speaks on behalf of the child, sponsors his entrance into the Church and "receives" the child out of the baptismal waters into the Church and cares for his spiritual life, the godparent himself must be a member of the Church. [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After the proclamation of faith, the baptismal water is prayed over and blessed as the sign of the goodness of God's creation. The person to be baptized is also prayed over and blessed with sanctified oil as the sign that his creation by God is holy and good. And then, after the solemn proclamation of "Alleluia" (God be praised), the person is immersed three times in the water in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Through the act of immersion, the baptized person dies to this world and is born again in the resurrection of Christ into eternal life. He is clothed with the "garments of salvation" symbolized by the white baptismal robe which is the "new humanity" of Jesus himself who is the new and heavenly Adam (See Jn 3, Rom 5, 1 Cor 15). Thus, the words of the Apostle Paul are chanted as the newly-baptized is led in procession around the baptismal font three times as the symbol of his procession to the Kingdom of God and his entrance into eternal life: "For as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Alleluia" (Gal 3:27). [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In ancient times this procession was made from the baptistery to the church where the newly-baptized received Holy Communion at the celebration of the Divine Liturgy. Baptisms were normally done in connection with the Easter Liturgy; our present procession around the church building on Easter night is nothing more than our remembrance that we are baptized, that we have left the life of this world to enter the eternal life of the Risen Christ in the Kingdom of God. This new life is given to us in the life of the Church, most specifically in the Divine Liturgy. Before the baptismal procession and the reading of the Epistle and the Gospel is fulfilled in the reception of Holy Communion, however, the newly-baptized is given the gift of the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Chrismation. [/font]
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Petr said:I've heard that many people say of themselves they are "born-again Christians", I was just curious what that means... don't have that in my language...
Jesus was the first one to mention being "born again". The saying comes directly from Scripture.
John 3:3-8
Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, "You must be born again.' The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
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Hm, well the term is generally used by evangelicals to mean that they have been born again by faith in Jesus Christ.
Catholics on the other hand, think it means something different. Born again, or "born anothen", born from above.
In our theology, Adam and Eve lost sanctifying grace in the Garden of Eden. They were created with it, but by their own free-will and sin, they lost it. Their obedience was the condition on whether or not the rest of mankind would be created with or without it. They failed, we enter this life with nature only. As such, we need to be born again, or born from above. We believe in something called sacramental grace, we believe Christ's physical flesh did something, and we think other physical things he consecrates does something also. In the case of sanctifying grace, we believe it is promised and is imparted via baptism, by the words and by the water sanctifying grace is infused in the soul and we are recreated. We cannot enter our mother's womb and be reborn with sanctifying grace for we were created without it. God, for myriads of reasons I'm sure, some of which I think I understand, instead of destroying man after the fall and starting again fresh, choose a different path to renew, recreate mankind, and this is through Christ/sanctity/sacraments, etc.
As such, we believe baptism to be what puts us in God's New and Everlatsting covenant as circumcision did in the Old Covenant, however, we believe that we are bound by the sacraments, God is not which means that I do what I believe God tells me to do however, there are many who God very well may impart sanctifying grace to who have not been baptised.
Too, sanctifying grace can be lost.
Catholics on the other hand, think it means something different. Born again, or "born anothen", born from above.
In our theology, Adam and Eve lost sanctifying grace in the Garden of Eden. They were created with it, but by their own free-will and sin, they lost it. Their obedience was the condition on whether or not the rest of mankind would be created with or without it. They failed, we enter this life with nature only. As such, we need to be born again, or born from above. We believe in something called sacramental grace, we believe Christ's physical flesh did something, and we think other physical things he consecrates does something also. In the case of sanctifying grace, we believe it is promised and is imparted via baptism, by the words and by the water sanctifying grace is infused in the soul and we are recreated. We cannot enter our mother's womb and be reborn with sanctifying grace for we were created without it. God, for myriads of reasons I'm sure, some of which I think I understand, instead of destroying man after the fall and starting again fresh, choose a different path to renew, recreate mankind, and this is through Christ/sanctity/sacraments, etc.
As such, we believe baptism to be what puts us in God's New and Everlatsting covenant as circumcision did in the Old Covenant, however, we believe that we are bound by the sacraments, God is not which means that I do what I believe God tells me to do however, there are many who God very well may impart sanctifying grace to who have not been baptised.
Too, sanctifying grace can be lost.
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Hi Theresa,
What do you think of this really simple take on the phrase..'born again.'
In 1 Peter 1 it would mean that mankind has a rebirth of sorts in that Jesus has came to earth and done the necessary things to make the eternal life, promised since the beginning, to be available to common man. That would be available to anyone who has been lived since the day in the upper room in Jerusalem.
In John 3 it means we live the earthly life, physically die and then are born again a spiritual being or heavenly eternal existance. Nobody that is alive is involved with that yet, because you have to die first.
As I see it if someone is 'born again' as per the evangelical meaning they still can't enter the Kingdom of God/heaven unless they die first. That doesn't fit with John 3.
I can not think of anything off the cuff that would disprove what you wrote. I'm just curious what you think of my idea.
Justme
What do you think of this really simple take on the phrase..'born again.'
In 1 Peter 1 it would mean that mankind has a rebirth of sorts in that Jesus has came to earth and done the necessary things to make the eternal life, promised since the beginning, to be available to common man. That would be available to anyone who has been lived since the day in the upper room in Jerusalem.
In John 3 it means we live the earthly life, physically die and then are born again a spiritual being or heavenly eternal existance. Nobody that is alive is involved with that yet, because you have to die first.
As I see it if someone is 'born again' as per the evangelical meaning they still can't enter the Kingdom of God/heaven unless they die first. That doesn't fit with John 3.
I can not think of anything off the cuff that would disprove what you wrote. I'm just curious what you think of my idea.
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Dear Petr,you have been given some good answers to your qestion,may I just give you a shortened version too.When you are born,it is like everybody else being born,as a Baby.When you are born again,you are born into the Christian Family,with Jesus as the Head.You openly declare that you belong to Jesus;you have sworn allegiance to our Lord.Sincere greetings from Emmy,a sister in Christ.
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You are born into Christianity....you are a new creation in Christ Jesus because you have faith in him and accept his gift and therefore, it is called "born again."
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Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus when He said these words:Petr said:I've heard that many people say of themselves they are "born-again Christians", I was just curious what that means... don't have that in my language...
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Which leads to the verse shown in many football stadiums:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
And 17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
How does one get saved?
Romans 10:9 makes it perfectly clear:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
I hope I was helpful.
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It can mean slightly different things for different Christians, but basically it means that you've accepted Jesus and he has fogiven your sins thus in a way giving you a second chance in life.
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