What doctrines are non-negotiable?

[Scott4Him]

Obviously Christians do not all agree on every nuisance of Scripture. There are some doctrines (salvation by grace through faith and not of works Eph 2:8-9) that I see as non-negotiable.

Others (Jesus clearly taught a post-tribualtion rapture in Matthew 24) I view as important but not worth breaking fellowship over.

All Scripture is God breathed, so it's all important.

What doctrines do you view add non negotiable? It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, my post certainly isn't

 

[Standing Up]

Good question. Maybe the cross answers it.

Is there more than one really, which is God-with-us, Emmanuel, Christ in the flesh? To not believe that is antichrist. That's the vertical.

All else is sorta, maybe, horizontal stuff, that we as brothers might dwell together in peace.

 

[pshun2404]

I would say the original Nicene Creed which says...

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

In His love

Paul

 

[QueSi]

I would say the original Nicene Creed which says...

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

In His love

Paul

I never understood why this didn't include any of the roughly 32 years of his life including the most important parts of the bible, being the ~4 years that he taught us the lessons that we are to follow.

 

[PaladinValer]

The Nicene and Apostles' Creeds
The Definition of Chalcedon
The major decisions of the Seven Ecumenical Councils
Real Presence
Apostolic Succession
Sacrificial aspect of worship and Holy Communion
Baptismal regeneration
Visibility of the Church
Grace alone by living faith alone
Sacramentalism
Amillennialism
Theosis/Sanctification soteriology
Episcopal polity
Liturgical, ancient worship
Primacy of Holy Scripture
Authority of Holy Tradition and Holy Reason

But of all these (and a few more), the most important is the Nicene Creed.

 

[bricklayer]

Obviously Christians do not all agree on every nuisance of Scripture. There are some doctrines (salvation by grace through faith and not of works Eph 2:8-9) that I see as non-negotiable.

Others (Jesus clearly taught a post-tribualtion rapture in Matthew 24) I view as important but not worth breaking fellowship over.

All Scripture is God breathed, so it's all important.

What doctrines do you view add non negotiable? It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, my post certainly isn't

God's sovereignty, omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence, necessity and simple actuality all come to mind.

 

[MenWithoutHate]

The Nicene and Apostles' Creeds
The Definition of Chalcedon
The major decisions of the Seven Ecumenical Councils
Real Presence
Apostolic Succession
Sacrificial aspect of worship and Holy Communion
Baptismal regeneration
Visibility of the Church
Grace alone by living faith alone
Sacramentalism
Amillennialism
Theosis/Sanctification soteriology
Episcopal polity
Liturgical, ancient worship
Primacy of Holy Scripture
Authority of Holy Tradition and Holy Reason

But of all these (and a few more), the most important is the Nicene Creed.

Are you saying that being an Anglican is essential to being a Christian?

Primacy of Holy Scripture
Authority of Holy Tradition and Holy Reason

Where there no Christians until the Reformation?

 

[PaladinValer]

Are you saying that being an Anglican is essential to being a Christian?

Did you read the OP?

Is "being necessary to being Christian" mentioned?

...honestly, why are Straw Men logical fallacies so bloody popular here?

Where there no Christians until the Reformation?

See my above.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Obviously Christians do not all agree on every nuisance of Scripture. There are some doctrines (salvation by grace through faith and not of works Eph 2:8-9) that I see as non-negotiable.

Others (Jesus clearly taught a post-tribualtion rapture in Matthew 24) I view as important but not worth breaking fellowship over.

All Scripture is God breathed, so it's all important.

What doctrines do you view add non negotiable? It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, my post certainly isn't

By non-negotiable do you mean the "bare minimum" to be called Christian? If so the Nicene Creed seems like a pretty good place to start.

If by non-negotiable you mean something less severe, well, I suppose I consider most of it non-negotiable. I consider the the doctrine of the Real Presence non-negotiable, but I'll accept as fellow Christians those who don't, even if I regard it as an essential doctrine of the Christian faith.

If it's more about what I consider the most important points of theology, then I'd offer the Historic Creeds: the Nicene, Athanasian, Chalcedonian, and Apostles'; I would also add the doctrine of Justification, the Real Presence, the Authority of Holy Scripture and its role as the Regula Fidei, and more.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[bornofGod888]

Obviously Christians do not all agree on every nuisance of Scripture.

I'm assuming that you meant to say "nuance" of scripture, but your typo really made me laugh in that it's right on the mark. IOW, I feel that a lot of people who profess to know Christ find the scriptures to be a "nuisance" in that they (the scriptures) refute their unscriptural beliefs. As such, I'd say that the scriptures themselves are non-negotiable.

 

[pshun2404]

I never understood why this didn't include any of the roughly 32 years of his life including the most important parts of the bible, being the ~4 years that he taught us the lessons that we are to follow.

That would be cool but they were just boiling it down to the most basic essential doctrines of the faith...the OP asked for non-negotiables, I am sure there could be more but these are those which represent our unity. All who are themselves Christian believe these things (at least I think so).

Paul

 

[MenWithoutHate]

Did you read the OP?

Is "being necessary to being Christian" mentioned?

...honestly, why are Straw Men logical fallacies so bloody popular here?

You are being a bit harsh. I wasn't making a straw man - in order to do that I would need to reconstruct your statement and then attack it. I asked a question. The first post asks what you think is non-negotiable. I don't understand in what way you were responding. I can only see it going two ways:
- That what you mentioned were non-negotiable for Christianity (which was my assumption)
- That what you mentioned were non-negotiable for you (which makes no sense)

 

[ViaCrucis]

I'm assuming that you meant to say "nuance" of scripture, but your typo really made me laugh in that it's right on the mark. IOW, I feel that a lot of people who profess to know Christ find the scriptures to be a "nuisance" in that they (the scriptures) refute their unscriptural beliefs. As such, I'd say that the scriptures themselves are non-negotiable.

It's always amusing to me how it's always everyone else who has unscriptural beliefs.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[pshun2404]

The Nicene and Apostles' Creeds
The Definition of Chalcedon
The major decisions of the Seven Ecumenical Councils
Real Presence
Apostolic Succession
Sacrificial aspect of worship and Holy Communion
Baptismal regeneration
Visibility of the Church
Grace alone by living faith alone
Sacramentalism
Amillennialism
Theosis/Sanctification soteriology
Episcopal polity
Liturgical, ancient worship
Primacy of Holy Scripture
Authority of Holy Tradition and Holy Reason

But of all these (and a few more), the most important is the Nicene Creed.

I like these but I would question Amillennialism (since it was not a view considered until after the church assumed political authority), Episcopal polity (okay so long as that Episcopos is not a child of Belial), and the authority of Holy Tradition and Holy Reason (depending on what you mean by this, and so long as it does not trump the authority of Holy Scripture…which I note you included as Primacy of Scripture).

Apostolic Succession was appropriate in its place until devils were allowed to buy their positions (like the father of the Medici bought his sons ordination when he was a 15 year old boy who later bought his position to become a Pope by financially securing the backing of the younger members of the Sacred College. Using mammon to gain control over the kingdoms of this world was not Christ-like. The man did not have the Holy Spirit so could pass Him on to anyone (thus ended the Apostolic succession on the west…his spirit was not the Spirit of Christ). Remember, he was the guy that invented indulgences for rich men who wanted sexual sin with wanton women, their servants, and boys (although this had already been accused as known by Christian clerics as early as Savonarola (1492).

None of these are doctrines we see taught by Christ, or by His Apostles to their students (they all came later by men for questionable reasons)

In His love

Paul

 

[PaladinValer]

You are being a bit harsh. I wasn't making a straw man - in order to do that I would need to reconstruct your statement and then attack it.

I'll take your word that you meant nothing by it.

I asked a question. The first post asks what you think is non-negotiable. I don't understand in what way you were responding. I can only see it going two ways:
- That what you mentioned were non-negotiable for Christianity (which was my assumption)
- That what you mentioned were non-negotiable for you (which makes no sense)

The OP makes no mention of non-negotiables about Christianity, so the first cannot logically be. The second is actually what is the question being asked.

It's always amusing to me how it's always everyone else who has unscriptural beliefs.

-CryptoLutheran

Indeed.

 

[MenWithoutHate]

Glad that you took my post the right way

I took it the first way because I don't understand the second. How can a belief be non-negotiable for yourself?

 

[QueSi]

That would be cool but they were just boiling it down to the most basic essential doctrines of the faith...the OP asked for non-negotiables, I am sure there could be more but these are those which represent our unity. All who are themselves Christian believe these things (at least I think so).

Paul

Shouldn't the most basic essential doctrine be to love God above all and our brothers as ourselves?

 

[Lovely Lane]

You are being a bit harsh. I wasn't making a straw man - in order to do that I would need to reconstruct your statement and then attack it. I asked a question. The first post asks what you think is non-negotiable. I don't understand in what way you were responding. I can only see it going two ways:
- That what you mentioned were non-negotiable for Christianity (which was my assumption)
- That what you mentioned were non-negotiable for you (which makes no sense)

That one always claims straw man, it's standard procedure.

 

[RDKirk]

Obviously Christians do not all agree on every nuisance of Scripture. There are some doctrines (salvation by grace through faith and not of works Eph 2:8-9) that I see as non-negotiable.

Others (Jesus clearly taught a post-tribualtion rapture in Matthew 24) I view as important but not worth breaking fellowship over.

All Scripture is God breathed, so it's all important.

What doctrines do you view add non negotiable? It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, my post certainly isn't

The elements of the Apostle's Creed (I understand that some denominations have knee-jerk reactions to the concept itself of a "creed").

 

[Lovely Lane]

Not a curse word, but vein.

ok, that is a good explanation.