What doctors should be doing.

[Phaedros]

Children's of Minnesota - Micro Preemies Outcomes

At this hospital, here in Minnesota, the doctors are working to improve the survival rate of "micro-preemies", babies born at about 22 weeks. Part of this short story states that, "Among the significant changes in practices that were developed and adopted early among the collaborative from 1998 to 2006 were reductions in the use of mechanical ventilation (from 75 percent to 62 percent), delivery room intubation (from 70 percent to 52 percent), postnatal steroids (from 35 percent to 10 percent) and increase in the early administration of surfactants (from 55 percent to 81 percent) and nasal continuous positive airway pressure (from 57 percent to 78 percent).

The study found that these potentially better practices were significant and sustained, infection rates were reduced (from 18 percent to 15 percent) and survival rates improved (from 90 percent to 93 percent)."

From the article posted at

Children's of Minnesota - Micropreemies

it states that the chance of survival for a baby born before 26 weeks in the 1980s was 50 percent. Today it is 90 percent.

 

[Phaedros]

After IVF, Abortion? What Does This Say? | Christianpost.com

From the article, "One of the most respected British newspapers has just revealed that approximately 80 abortions are performed in the UK each year, terminating pregnancies that came about by IVF treatments."

"Professor Bill Ledger, a member of Britain’s Human Fertilization and Embryology Authority, pointed to the obvious: “These women can’t be surprised to be pregnant; you can’t have an IVF pregnancy by accident.”"

The article reports that there is some outrage in the UK about this, but what is the outrage about? Money not morality.

 

[katautumn]

Oftentimes when a post-IVF abortion is performed it's because the woman has successfully implanted more embryos than would be safe to carry to term. In cases where, say, eight embryos successfully implant in the uterus the woman may opt to have all but two removed to preserve her health and insure that the babies will thrive.

In terms of micro preemies, the technology is there. Unfortunately it is expensive and, thus, not available to everyone.

 

[Phaedros]

The women getting abortions in the IVF article are getting an abortion because they decided after going through the procedure that they do not want a child at all.

 

[katautumn]

The women getting abortions in the IVF article are getting an abortion because they decided after going through the procedure that they do not want a child at all.

Which, IMO, seems like a terrible waste of time, money and energy. It doesn't even seem healthy to undergo hormone therapy and IVF only to turn around and terminate an otherwise healthy pregnancy.

 

[Phaedros]

Yes, but part of my point is that the outrage seems to be only about the things you mention. There's hardly, if any, a mention of the inherent paradoxes of this behavior.

 

[katautumn]

The biggest thing is that it seems really unhealthy for the woman, similar to the long-term health issues found in women who miscarry frequently. Fertility treatments are pretty rough for some women. Although I'm not sure if outrage over 80 abortions per year is warranted. To give the women the benefit of the doubt here, it's highly plausible that there have been cases in which the woman was married at the time of undergoing fertility treatments and the crisis of infertility caused the couple to end up divorced and the woman couldn't provide for a child by herself or it was discovered she had some sort of underlying medical condition in which a pregnancy could jeopardize her health or the baby's. I'm just not quite so quick to assume those 80 women were being careless and simply changed their minds, especially after undergoing tedious and expensive treatments to get pregnant in the first place.

 

[lux et lex]

I think more doctors should be focusing on stem cell research.

 

[katautumn]

I think more doctors should be focusing on stem cell research.

After watching Alzheimer's Disease not only ravage my late mother-in-law, but devastate her family as well, I agree with this. There are so many diseases that could be managed (maybe even cured altogether) if there was broader support of conducting stem cell research. Especially since the embryos would otherwise be discarded.

 

[lux et lex]

After watching Alzheimer's Disease not only ravage my late mother-in-law, but devastate her family as well, I agree with this. There are so many diseases that could be managed (maybe even cured altogether) if there was broader support of conducting stem cell research. Especially since the embryos would otherwise be discarded.

Yes. I believe people should be able to donate their left over IVF embryos to stem cell research. Everyone wins.

 

[Phaedros]

Yes. I believe people should be able to donate their left over IVF embryos to stem cell research. Everyone wins.

Ah yes and we throw human life away as if it were nothing more than a few rocks into a pond. Besides we can get stem cells without embryos.

Embryonic stem cells made without embryos | Reuters

 

[purpledolphin8402]

Ah yes and we throw human life away as if it were nothing more than a few rocks into a pond. Besides we can get stem cells without embryos.

Embryonic stem cells made without embryos | Reuters

actually, if you have left over IVF embryos that you cannot pay for or do not want, they literally throw them away. at least this way they're useful and not lining the bottom of a trash can...

 

[katautumn]

Ah yes and we throw human life away as if it were nothing more than a few rocks into a pond.http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2058175020071120

But the embryos could be for a very noble purpose. If embryonic stem cell research could cure diseases like Alzheimer's, HIV, cancer - wouldn't that mean life wasn't just being "thrown away"? Lives would be saved.

 

[b.hopeful]

C'mon ladies...everyone knows that fetuses are more valuable than anything else. Join me in a chorus of "what about the babies...the babies"...or "Every Sperm is Sacred".

 

[lux et lex]

Ah yes and we throw human life away as if it were nothing more than a few rocks into a pond. Besides we can get stem cells without embryos.

Embryonic stem cells made without embryos | Reuters

<staff edit>They destroy IVF embryos if they are not being used. Why not put them to some use. Unless you are going to be consistent and campaign for abolishing IVF.

 

[purpledolphin8402]

C'mon ladies...everyone knows that fetuses are more valuable than anything else. Join me in a chorus of "what about the babies...the babies"...or "Every Sperm is Sacred".

i hope we never get to the point where "every sperm is sacred." it would be such a pain to be charged with involuntary manslaughter once a month because i lose an ovum...

 

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[Skipton]

The thread OP is about survival of premature babies, I dont see what this has to do with murdering them.