What do you think of profanity in CCM?

[ListenerFriendly]

and cussing is in NO way a 'measure' for the maturity of your salvation

No offense, but if you were referencing to what I said with that, that isn't what I said at all... nothing even like what I said, it isn't a sign... but Christians more mature in their walk don't want to hurt young Chritstians by cursing in their presence. I don't like cursing at all, but I don't feel its anywhere as bad as taking the Lords name in vain, nothing really like it actually.

as for bands doing it in their songs.....depends. i've heard it done when it was to make a point in the song (Mike Knott is a good example), so i don't have a problem with it necessarily. mind you, i don't condone it, either

Exactly what is was saying...

ROCK ON

 

[MoreInSorrow]

No offense, but if you were referencing to what I said with that, that isn't what I said at all... nothing even like what I said, it isn't a sign... but Christians more mature in their walk don't want to hurt young Chritstians by cursing in their presence. I don't like cursing at all, but I don't feel its anywhere as bad as taking the Lords name in vain, nothing really like it actually.



Exactly what is was saying...

ROCK ON

I might have been referencing what you'd said (not sure, I'd have to go back and look), but I'm not saying it's a sign either. What you actually said was that it had more to do with the strength of your walk with Christ, to which I still respectfully disagree. I know many steadfast, devout Christians who have what I would call a loose tongue. And while I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree that in front of younger, impressionable Christians cussing might not be the best idea, it is not the damning thing people make it out to be. I mean, honestly, I grew up seriously thinking that if I cussed, I would not go to heaven. But that is the kind of mentality that seems to pervade our church aisles, by and large, today. I do not cuss (mostly because I've got 3 kids who look up to me), but if I do let something fly (and NEVER around them), I don't feel bad about it in the least. I think same goes with musicians. If they let something fly in a song, say, once an album, it's not going to keep me from listening to them, if they profess to be Christians.

I think it's important to remember that for the most part, it is the industry who tells us who is and isn't a 'Christian' artist or band. It's hard to get close enough to many artists to know their heart, which is why it is more important to me to err on the side of caution and give them the benefit of the doubt, even if i hear something I don't agree with.

 

[ParaCristo]

I feel like the problem with any cuss words isn't necessarily the words...but the act itself...
It is disobeying Gods request for us to have pure hearts...
He didn't call us to become "semi-Christlike"
He called us to become as "Christ-like in manner as posssible"...to turn from all unclean things.

We will be known by our fruits.
My 2 cents...

 

[ListenerFriendly]

I might have been referencing what you'd said (not sure, I'd have to go back and look), but I'm not saying it's a sign either. What you actually said was that it had more to do with the strength of your walk with Christ, to which I still respectfully disagree. I know many steadfast, devout Christians who have what I would call a loose tongue. And while I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree that in front of younger, impressionable Christians cussing might not be the best idea, it is not the damning thing people make it out to be. I mean, honestly, I grew up seriously thinking that if I cussed, I would not go to heaven. But that is the kind of mentality that seems to pervade our church aisles, by and large, today. I do not cuss (mostly because I've got 3 kids who look up to me), but if I do let something fly (and NEVER around them), I don't feel bad about it in the least. I think same goes with musicians. If they let something fly in a song, say, once an album, it's not going to keep me from listening to them, if they profess to be Christians.

I think it's important to remember that for the most part, it is the industry who tells us who is and isn't a 'Christian' artist or band. It's hard to get close enough to many artists to know their heart, which is why it is more important to me to err on the side of caution and give them the benefit of the doubt, even if i hear something I don't agree with.

yea, you were... it think anways ...

What you actually said was that it had more to do with the strength of your walk with Christ, to which I still respectfully disagree.

Yes that it was I said, and I never said it was a sign !

As for most of what you said, you seem to go along with what I basically believe. But for the last part about the band thing... true, I do want to listen to a Christian band (whether from mainstream or CCM). But, If they claim to be Christians and make music that has a content I can agree with spiritually, I will continue to listen. Because even if I spend time with them and think that they might be Christian, I can never tell what their hearts are like... only God can. And in fact, some of the more "messed up" ones (from our perspective) are often times the ones who come to a closer walk with Christ. Basically I cannot judge.

As for Jesus... we can say he didn't use curse words... because the words we consider curse words today weren't in existance then. He may have well used edgy language in his day. he used the common, everyday language of the people, with all its imperfections. The priests despised him because he was reaching the people at their level. He used gentle loving language, then he would also use harsh language when essential.

My two cents... peace.

ROCK ON

 

[Illuminite]

no reason that I can suuport for it-

 

[Aerdna]

^

 

[Scorcher505]

Can someone give me an example of a song by a Christian band that contains profanity?

 

[MoreInSorrow]

Can someone give me an example of a song by a Christian band that contains profanity?

Pedro the Lion-Foregone Conclusion

"And you were too busy steering the conversation toward the Lord
To hear the voice of the Spirit, begging you to shut the f*** up.
You thought, it must be the devil, tryin to make you go astray.
And besides, it could not have been the Lord because you don't believe he talks that way."

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

I don't think theres a place for cussing in any media. But since we can't avoid it in the world, I at least want to avoid it in the music I listen to. I don't find ANY justification for it in music calling itself "Christian."

 

[Macewindu77815]

Pedro the Lion-Foregone Conclusion

"And you were too busy steering the conversation toward the Lord
To hear the voice of the Spirit, begging you to shut the f*** up.
You thought, it must be the devil, tryin to make you go astray.
And besides, it could not have been the Lord because you don't believe he talks that way."

Woah...thats some hardcore lyricism right there. I need to get some Pedro The Lion on my hands...

 

[ListenerFriendly]

Originally Posted by MoreInSorrow
Pedro the Lion-Foregone Conclusion

"And you were too busy steering the conversation toward the Lord
To hear the voice of the Spirit, begging you to shut the f*** up.
You thought, it must be the devil, tryin to make you go astray.
And besides, it could not have been the Lord because you don't believe he talks that way."
Woah...thats some hardcore lyricism right there. I need to get some Pedro The Lion on my hands...

Aren't those guys awesome... Don't own anything, but really appreciate the dude's honesty...

 

[MoreInSorrow]

Yeah, pretty much the entire "Control" album owns me. What a laid-out, honest look at a terrible situation. I get a little tired of Pedro in large doses, but David Bazan, when he wants to, can write some amazing lyrics.

 

[CrazyFool]

I feel strongly convicted that Christians should not curse at all: in their everyday language, when they're mad, nor when they make music.

If you think you have to curse to make a strong point, or to 'be honest', then you're sadly mistaken.

 

[CrazyFool]

And I don't think that swearing, unless done over excessively, is damaging one's heart, providing they are filling it with the Lord.

"And you were too busy steering the conversation toward the Lord
To hear the voice of the Spirit, begging you to shut the f*** up.
You thought, it must be the devil, tryin to make you go astray.
And besides, it could not have been the Lord because you don't believe he talks that way."

I say this bluntly...but I mean no disrespect in challenging your statement...

How can the f-word and such foul language as that possibly be 'filled with the Lord'?!?! It's like saying the word 'rape' or 'punch' or 'slaughter' could be filled with the Holy Spirit. God is an infinitely GOOD being.... Jesus would have NOTHING to do with such things.

"Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."
Matt. 7:20

This means that people will know who we are by our actions and the words we say. Do you think anyone who happened to be flipping through t.v. channels and saw a guy on stage screaming "shut the f*** up" would automatically think of God? On the flipside, if they heard someone singing such words as "glory" or "hallelujah" would they think of Satan or dark, evil things? Of course not.

A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Matt 7:18

A non-believer can not bear good fruit, and likewise a Christian should not bear bad fruit.

In the Bible, cursing is described as being characteristic of the godless!!

Psalm 10, which is telling the characteristics of an evil man :

7 His mouth is full of curses and lies and threats;
trouble and evil are under his tongue.

 

[MoreInSorrow]

Cursing is also defined in the Bible as taking the Lord's name in vain. Many words considered 'cuss' words today were perfectly acceptable 500, 800, and 2000 years ago.

And if you read prior posts, no one here is saying that its ok to walk around dropping f-bombs and cussing every other word. But it's also not wrong to do so every once in a while, especially when emphasizing a point, as is the case in many of the songs we're referring to (ie-Pedro the Lion, U2, etc).

I understand where you're coming from, and I don't mean this disrespectfully or to belittle your view, but I saw things very differently (read: sheltered) when I was a teenager, than I do now. It was when I quit listening to what I was told to think and started searching the Scriptures for myself that I came to many a realization about things I was always taught were wrong. The problem with the Church, and Christianity, is that we're given a list of do's and don'ts, rather than taught how to listen to the Spirit to guide us.

 

[CrazyFool]

- but the Spirit has guided people to write these laws into the Bible. We DO have a list of things to do and not to do, they're called commandments, and you don't just follow them if you want to or feel 'lead to'.

 

[CrazyFool]

And if you can find a verse in the Bible that just defines cursing as taking the Lord's name in vain, please quote it so that I may see for myself.

 

[MoreInSorrow]

- but the Spirit has guided people to write these laws into the Bible. We DO have a list of things to do and not to do, they're called commandments, and you don't just follow them if you want to or feel 'lead to'.

we do have a list of things to do and not do. they are called the commandments. so are you saying a woman deserves death if she is raped and doesn't call for help? because the Bible says that too.

you need to look at context, rather than words on a page.

 

[CrazyFool]

oi....laws back in Moses' time are totally different than laws about your behavior... crime and punishment is totally different from how you should act....

and again .. where is it said in the Bible that cursing is only taking the Lord's name in vain?

 

[Macewindu77815]

God looks at the heart not the mouth, and contrary to what the church has been pushing for the century, I don't believe He cares a whole heck of a lot about whether you swear once in a while. God cares about how much we love Him and how much we are showing others His love...