What do you think about Exorcism

[Daniel Peres]

I have a good friend who is a Catholic priest. He once told me that he was asked to assist at an exorcism. He said he really freaked out when the possessed person started revealing all of the sins of the priests that were present and they all got sick except for the actual exorcist priest.

That story really freaked me out.

 

[sandman]

The way the RC performs these are looked upon as a comical joke in satanism.........Just say'n

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The way the RC performs these are looked upon as a comical joke in satanism.........Just say'n

how would you know?

 

[Jonaitis]

The way the RC performs these are looked upon as a comical joke in satanism.........Just say'n

Satanism is a mock religion to provoke Christians (I used to dabble in that as an unbeliever). Most "practitioners" don't really believe Satan is real (or anything supernatural for that matter), and that it is all just to show that people don't need religion to be moral. Don't get me wrong, there are probably real theistic Satanists out there, but not the LaVeyan kind.

 

[Daniel Peres]

The way the RC performs these are looked upon as a comical joke in satanism.........Just say'n

The concept of goodness is looked upon as a comical joke in satanism. What’s your point? It may be comical to satanism but it does work, so the Catholic Church gets the last laugh. As the old saying goes, “He who laughs last, laughs best”…Just say’s

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I have a good friend who is a Catholic priest. He once told me that he was asked to assist at an exorcism. He said he really freaked out when the possessed person started revealing all of the sins of the priests that were present and they all got sick except for the actual exorcist priest.

That story really freaked me out.

Since the sin inside demons is older than the sin inside humans, it's easy for them to intuit what our malfunction is. It's not surprising, but shocking when it first happens, yes.

 

[sandman]

how would you know?

I used to dabble in that as an unbeliever

The concept of goodness is looked upon as a comical joke in satanism

Sorry guys I was halfway out the door and neglected to qualify my statement …which was rude.

I copied all 3 of you in on this just to keep it simple.


Akita
The exorcist (movie) came out at the tail end of my service to the god of this world of which I served almost 3 years as a priest.

And while Jonaitis is correct there are several levels to this…. many of them are pseudo or dabblers …..my position was a bit different. I had access to many things and people and was in charge of many things that I will not go into. I will only say the network is vast and includes many in worldly positions that you cannot imagine.

I won’t get into where/how the movie script was conceived…. which was a few years prior. I barely remember the movie, but I remember us laughing at many parts that were so absurdly portrayed.

And Daniel I am not making fun of deliverance at all …it’s the process represented and displayed by the priests… It’s a joke on the priests…. and I don’t mean that maliciously.

I don’t know who and when exactly…. but it was quite some time ago this process for exorcism with the priests was devised … designed ….by the same spirits they are attempting to cast out….. I’m sorry, but when I say it’s a joke…. I mean that…. but not in the sense that you took it.

Our example and our authority for casting out spirits is Jesus Christ…..They have to obey, they are subject to the power and authority that we have within….providing God gives you the green light …

No crucifix, no holy water, ya don’t need a priest, nor a magic formula to speak, ….except…. using the authority that you have been given. The key (as always) is to listen to God … He will tell you and instruct you ….don’t ever be afraid …..they are under you feet, you have more power in your pinkie than a legion of spirits. There is only one kind that cannot be cast out, but God will tell you…. the rest are subject to the power you have in Jesus Christ name…

 

[Daniel Peres]

Sorry guys I was halfway out the door and neglected to qualify my statement …which was rude.

I copied all 3 of you in on this just to keep it simple.


Akita
The exorcist (movie) came out at the tail end of my service to the god of this world of which I served almost 3 years as a priest.

And while Jonaitis is correct there are several levels to this…. many of them are pseudo or dabblers …..my position was a bit different. I had access to many things and people and was in charge of many things that I will not go into. I will only say the network is vast and includes many in worldly positions that you cannot imagine.

I won’t get into where/how the movie script was conceived…. which was a few years prior. I barely remember the movie, but I remember us laughing at many parts that were so absurdly portrayed.

And Daniel I am not making fun of deliverance at all …it’s the process represented and displayed by the priests… It’s a joke on the priests…. and I don’t mean that maliciously.

I don’t know who and when exactly…. but it was quite some time ago this process for exorcism with the priests was devised … designed ….by the same spirits they are attempting to cast out….. I’m sorry, but when I say it’s a joke…. I mean that…. but not in the sense that you took it.

Our example and our authority for casting out spirits is Jesus Christ…..They have to obey, they are subject to the power and authority that we have within….providing God gives you the green light …

No crucifix, no holy water, ya don’t need a priest, nor a magic formula to speak, ….except…. using the authority that you have been given. The key (as always) is to listen to God … He will tell you and instruct you ….don’t ever be afraid …..they are under you feet, you have more power in your pinkie than a legion of spirits. There is only one kind that cannot be cast out, but God will tell you…. the rest are subject to the power you have in Jesus Christ name…

So the joke that works against demons was created by demons? That doesn’t make sense. In fact, did not Jesus say something about Satan not being able to be divided against himself?

I’m trying to understand you. Perhaps you could try again.

 

[sandman]

So the joke that works against demons was created by demons? That doesn’t make sense. In fact, did not Jesus say something about Satan not being able to be divided against himself?

I’m trying to understand you. Perhaps you could try again.

Basically …yes

And maybe joke isn’t the appropriate term for these situations, because it is a serious matter …so please excuse my term … maybe use the word lie.

From what I remember …and I don’t know what is practiced today by the RCC. But at the time it was all symbolic fluff …readings, rites, sprinkling of holy water the use of the cross …. I know there was more …just can’t remember…It was everything but using the name of Jesus Christ as the authoritative power.

The house is not divided because ….unless a believing person (priest or not) uses the name of Jesus Christ with the authority given us ….the devil spirit is staying in … or it may leave but will come right back. Again I want to stress …this is action between the believer and God. And when God gives a person the green light to cast out ….it’s an immediate action.

 

[Daniel Peres]

Basically …yes

And maybe joke isn’t the appropriate term for these situations, because it is a serious matter …so please excuse my term … maybe use the word lie.

From what I remember …and I don’t know what is practiced today by the RCC. But at the time it was all symbolic fluff …readings, rites, sprinkling of holy water the use of the cross …. I know there was more …just can’t remember…It was everything but using the name of Jesus Christ as the authoritative power.

The house is not divided because ….unless a believing person (priest or not) uses the name of Jesus Christ with the authority given us ….the devil spirit is staying in … or it may leave but will come right back. Again I want to stress …this is action between the believer and God. And when God gives a person the green light to cast out ….it’s an immediate action.

The rite of exorcism revolves around the Jesus Christ and his name. I don’t know what you were exposed to, but everything I have ever read and been told says you are mistaken. It doesn’t surprise me. I happen to be very knowledgeable on the Bible and Catholicism, and I am often surprised at how misinformed priests often are.

BTW, the original exorcist movie was based on a true story about a boy from a Protestant family. The Protestant clergy were unable to help them and they were forced to get help from the Catholic Church. If anybody can exorcise demons then why did the Protestant family have to get a Catholic Priest to exorcise the demon?

 

[sandman]

The rite of exorcism revolves around the Jesus Christ and his name. I don’t know what you were exposed to, but everything I have ever read and been told says you are mistaken. It doesn’t surprise me. I happen to be very knowledgeable on the Bible and Catholicism, and I am often surprised at how misinformed priests often are.

BTW, the original exorcist movie was based on a true story about a boy from a Protestant family. The Protestant clergy were unable to help them and they were forced to get help from the Catholic Church. If anybody can exorcise demons then why did the Protestant family have to get a Catholic Priest to exorcise the demon?

Last I heard (a while ago) exorcism was not sanctioned “officially” by the RCC … I don’t know if that is still the case or not. It may be A similar situation as those in the church who speak in tongues. The RCC knows it is going on… but it’s not sanctioned by the church.

I do know of a couple of priests who were in Arizona (I don’t know where they are now, we unfortunately have lost touch) that do not adhere to the exorcism rites as per discussion.

A situation occurred when I lived there…. that lent itself of me casting out a couple of devil spirits in their presence, and afterwards we spent a few hours going over some things….. A year later Murph called me all excited having used the name of Jesus Christ to cast a spirit out. But he was even more excited of the fact that he “unmistakably” heard from God on what to do in the situation… He said “I didn’t know what to do ahead of time…. It was just there as I acted” ….

I don’t know if I could put it any more beautifully and succinctly as Murph did. …. believing action

 

[Daniel Peres]

Last I heard (a while ago) exorcism was not sanctioned “officially” by the RCC … I don’t know if that is still the case or not. It may be A similar situation as those in the church who speak in tongues. The RCC knows it is going on… but it’s not sanctioned by the church.

I do know of a couple of priests who were in Arizona (I don’t know where they are now, we unfortunately have lost touch) that do not adhere to the exorcism rites as per discussion.

A situation occurred when I lived there…. that lent itself of me casting out a couple of devil spirits in their presence, and afterwards we spent a few hours going over some things….. A year later Murph called me all excited having used the name of Jesus Christ to cast a spirit out. But he was even more excited of the fact that he “unmistakably” heard from God on what to do in the situation… He said “I didn’t know what to do ahead of time…. It was just there as I acted” ….

I don’t know if I could put it any more beautifully and succinctly as Murph did. …. believing action

Exorcisms are still sanctioned, but cannot be performed without permission of the Bishop.

I believe it was Pope Benedict XVI who ordered all dioceses to appoint an exorcist. I am unaware of Pope Francis reversing that order.

That said, the rite of exorcism is only used when they know for sure there is a possession. The possessed person usually has unexplained abilities like speaking in Aramaic or something like that.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "When the Church asks publicly and authoritatively in the name of Jesus Christ that a person or object be protected against the power of the Evil One and withdrawn from his dominion, it is called exorcism."

The Catholic Church revised the Rite of Exorcism in January 1999, though the traditional Rite of Exorcism in Latin is allowed as an option.

Solemn exorcisms, according to the Canon law of the Church, can be exercised only by an ordained priest (or higher prelate), with the express permission of the local bishop, and only after a careful medical examination to exclude the possibility of mental illness.

Wayback Machine

 

[Paidiske]

Many baptismal rites still have a form of exorcism in them.

 

[public hermit]

I have a good friend who is a Catholic priest. He once told me that he was asked to assist at an exorcism. He said he really freaked out when the possessed person started revealing all of the sins of the priests that were present and they all got sick except for the actual exorcist priest.

That story really freaked me out.

I'm curious about the process. @Michie has suggested some books for me, which I have yet to read, but it's one of those areas I'd like to learn more about.

 

[Daniel Peres]

I'm curious about the process. @Michie has suggested some books for me, which I have yet to read, but it's one of those areas I'd like to learn more about.

I’m no expert on the actual process, but one thing all exorcists have in common is that they all say how the demons hate the name of Jesus, and so his name is a weapon against the demons. I really don’t know what Sandman was talking about.