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Timothew said:I'm surprised that you are just now hearing this. A physical resurrection is part of the Nicene Creed which most Christians hold to as a statement of their beliefs. "I look for the resurrection of the dead."
It's pretty sad. Yes - Christianity is all about physical resurrection on a renewed, redeemed, earth. A non-physical escape from this world to a spiritual afterlife is not Christianity at all but a semi-Gnosticism.
ebia said:The Apostle's creed is even clearer - "the resurrection of the body"
It's pretty sad. Yes - Christianity is all about physical resurrection on a renewed, redeemed, earth. A non-physical escape from this world to a spiritual afterlife is not Christianity at all but a semi-Gnosticism.
Weird, and a little sad.This is definitely not what was taught in my church. Weird, huh?
And what do you think about the people that try to be christain but wouldn't believe if they weren't threatened by eternal torture? I would really like to hear opinions.
LOL @ the picture! ^.^
Personally I think the fear tactic is beyond pointless. All it does is make someone more defensive and hate christians more. If someone came up to me and said "Your going to hell hethen!" (assuming I wans't christian) I'd tell them to shove it.
I think this is one of many reasons christans clash with people is because we have alot of bad apples in our religion. Like that West Baptist church who insist in on protesting at various events. I don't "hate" them (because I am not supposed to), but I very much despise their tactics and what they do. Its a terrible way to bring people to God. I can respect a atheist/agnostic who disagrees with me more then I can respect one of those church members who do that.
It's pretty sad. Yes - Christianity is all about physical resurrection on a renewed, redeemed, earth. A non-physical escape from this world to a spiritual afterlife is not Christianity at all but a semi-Gnosticism.
"Those that are his at his coming will be raised as spirit beings"?"Those that are his" at his coming will be raised as spirit beings. "The rest of the dead" are raised to another period of physical life during Christ's millenial rule.
Can you show me where in Scripture Jesus or any of the NT writers used the classic evangelistic formula of "believe in Jesus so you don't go to Hell when you die"?
I was a Christian for more than a few years and I have never heard anyone else claim that the eternal life promised in the Bible was anything other than spiritual. So, you think there will be a physical resurrection involved as well? Interesting.
I was raised Church of Christ, and never encountered the term Nicene Creed until I started studying religion in college. Some denominations consider themselves completely separate from Christian history, or branches of mainstream Christianity altogether. The Church of Christ, for instance, believes only members of the Church of Christ will get into Heaven. You Southern Baptists, according to them, would go down down down in a burning ring of fire.
Weird, and a little sad.
I've been going through my beliefs, one by one, and comparing them to what the bible actually says. I'm finding lots of surprises.
One day I was at a fair with friends when a group of christians handing out pamphlets asked me if the life I'm leading was worth going to hell for. This was not the first time that I've had scare tactics being used on me in the name of jesus, as a young kid (I was born into a christain home) I was in constant fear of not being a "good christain" ya know, what if jesus came from the sky and left me here? I was terrified and then one day I realized that if hell wasn't in the equation then I wouldn't have been a christian, I didn't love jesus, I didn't even believe in him. Which made me worry more, I wanted to believe so bad but I just couldn't, and I worried a lot about if jesus was real would he understand? Was I a bad person? I was a little kid at that time, I'm a proud atheist now. But the point I'm trying to get at is do you agree with making people afraid of hell? And what do you think about the people that try to be christain but wouldn't believe if they weren't threatened by eternal torture? I would really like to hear opinions.
Proverbs 15:24 The way of life [is] above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath."
Just *a little* more ancient than the Apostles ...
razeontherock said:I call that a false dichotomy
Wow. You know those times where you've asked what went wrong, that G-d didn't show Himself real to you? Well this might have something to do with it. From His POV, you might have been pursuing something completely distinct from Him. What you say here is certainly foreign to me. I almost hate to ask what denom you went to, if it was mainstream ...
I had no idea that the "eternal life" we are promised in the Bible was anything beyond a spiritual existence. Never been told it was a physical eternal life.
THE SHOCK! THE HORROR! I know. It's all a lot to swallow.
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