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Same here, bro. I believe I'm done with this thread.I very much agree. This debate has taken a very ugly turn (well, uglier than it was originally), one I don't particularly care for.
I don't care which side started this sickening hostility, I just want it gone.
Floatingaxe, is your ability to interpret the bible infallible?YES! The thing is, if you rely on logic and reason, you are relying on an inconstant, a fallible thing, and no faith can stand on that. It's sinking sand.
Yuck.But to venomously talk about a woman who is old enough to be your mother is totally disrespectful. Does your mama know what you do? Does she do your laundry--or do you have to hide your enjoyable right?
Come on, youngster.
My reason is based on reason. The methodology of reason and rationality does not change with social trends.
That's great if sexual immorality includes masturbation, yet nowhere does it say it does.Yes touching yourself is a Sin.The body is meant to glorify God not our own lustful desires.God Bless
1 Corinthians 6:12-13 "Everything is permissible for me"but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"but I will not be mastered by anything."Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
1 Corinthians 6:18-20 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
Ephesians 5:3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
Colossians 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
1 Thessalonians 4:3 It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality;
Daniel777 said:pleasure doesn't need a purpose? are you sure about that? let me ask you a question: is pleasure good? how can pleasure be good if it's void of meaning?
NO all things are by Him and for Him.
why do you see the need to defend masturbation?
even if it isn't a sin, don't you think you should stop for the sake of the rest of us, and so we don't look MORE hypocritical to the world?
for what purpose are you masturbating (if you are; this discussion personally makes me sick. . . ). who are you serving? Pleasure?
or is this what paul was refering to when he said it would be better to mary than to burn with passion.
one more question: if you wanted to, could you quit? if not it's an obsession. masturbation is, by its nature, highly obsessive both spiritually and scientifically.
sir, chill. and no, you don't grow tired of any babble, you're still here aren't you.
are you always this arrogant acting while "defending" the truth?
how christlike.
Gamezilla said:I never said anyone here was shameful for doing so. Those were my own feelings on the matter, man.
I guess that people cannot have a different opinion from yours in this thread, huh?
You also failed to respond to one thing I said in one of your many quotes up there. "Love is the key to sex, and without it, God's gift is just being taken for granted.". Seems like you responded to everything else, but this.
This whole debate has become about you. Your getting upset that others aren't doing what you love to do. Whatever, man.
Floatingaxe said:It's not my job to cause guilt. So cut that nonsense. A 23-year-old who talks like you do, claiming it is a right to self-pleasure in the sight of God and all that is holy, is just acting like a child, and yes, you are correct---is in rebellion.
But to venomously talk about a woman who is old enough to be your mother is totally disrespectful. Does your mama know what you do? Does she do your laundry--or do you have to hide your enjoyable right?
Come on, youngster.
followerseforChrist said:Yes touching yourself is a Sin.The body is meant to glorify God not our own lustful desires.
Yuck.
You talk about being disrespectful? You can't even accept such a basic thing as disagreement over things - no, if someone disagrees with you, they disagree with God and the bible, and they are perverted and have closed themselves off to the Spirit.
And you talk about people younger than you as if they somehow owe you respect because of your age, while you yourself are spewing disrespect and insults all over them.
Don't accuse other of not respecting you when you yourself have not respect for anything but your own opinion, and while doing nothing at all to earn that respect.
Nowhere in this thread have you placed your mind on things above. Your mind is solely on morality and on the private lives of others.
Could you give an example of a "holy use" of the hand?
Yuck.
...they disagree with God and the bible, and they are perverted and have closed themselves off to the Spirit.
And you talk about people younger than you as if they somehow owe you respect because of your age, while you yourself are spewing disrespect and insults all over them.
Don't accuse other of not respecting you when you yourself have not respect for anything but your own opinion, and while doing nothing at all to earn that respect.
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