What do you see masturbating as? Sin? Sorry about all the topics you must have!

Floatingaxe · Jul 31, 2007

Dannager said:
So masturbation doesn't relieve stress, Floatingaxe?

Not like JESUS does!!! http://pichostonline.com/

Ave Maria · Jul 31, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
No way. Jesus relieves stress.

Don't hand me that malarkey.

Its a proven fact that masturbation also relieves stress.

soccerdad66 · Jul 31, 2007

Wow, fairly heated debate. I'm certainly not convinced there's a right answer to this.

One question comes to mind is when a husband and wife are together, and the wife submits to the husband even though she won't be satisfied, is that self gratification for the husband? (Not denying your partner, it's biblical, anyone who's done pre-martial counseling knows that one).

What about the partner married to someone unfaithful? They married for the right reasons and now their needs aren't getting met.

As someone who was in that situation, that was the option I was given.

PS. I tried to read through the whole thread, so I dont if someone else mentioned this, I apologize.

Jedi · Jul 31, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
It IS ridiculous. Who said anything about prostitution? You are losing it.

You did. When I told Monica about my praying (begging) to God concerning my future wife masturbating. Memory going, is it?

Everyone knows there is not a single verse that tells us not to touch.

Well that puts you in quite a bind as the prosecutor of masturbation.

Doesn't mean that it is right.

Doesn’t mean it’s wrong either. In fact, any act is morally innocent until proven guilty and since you’ve already admitted there is no such condemning verse in scripture against masturbation, it seems your tools to prosecute masturbation as inherently sinful are running rather low.

Men of biblical times were too tired working hard in their livelihoods and servicing all their wives and concubines to think about diddling. Get real.

Are you actually suggesting masturbation is a thing of the present? Haha, good Heavens, you’re further gone than I thought. With it being such a universal, widespread sexual act, there’s absolutely no reason to suppose people were any different thousands of years ago concerning their sex drives and satisfying them than they are now. You could just as well say of modern people “They are too tired working hard at the office in their livelihoods and servicing their wives and girlfriends to think about diddling.” Get real. It takes far too much faith to blindly suppose that masturbation was unfamiliar to the ancient world.

Yes, it is lack of self-control, self-respect and lust that causes people to do this behaviour

Another baseless assertion. You’re very good at those. Since you insist on repeating the same ignorant tripe, I’m just going to repeat my request for evidence: Show me just one passage or verse that condemns masturbation as inherently sinful, whether explicitly or by principle. Show me how masturbation inherently falls under the category of “lust,” “of the flesh,” or “lack of self-control.” For once in this discussion, stop spewing diarrhea from your mouth and answer the questions people ask you. Mocking them does you no good.

Calliso · Jul 31, 2007

Gamezilla said:
Sorry, but I lawled at that last sentence. LOL!

What is funny about that last sentence? The one about relieving stress? Cause it certainly does.

sentipente · Jul 31, 2007

Did I finally see FloatingAxe admit she does not have the text? Great job, FA. I knew you could do it. That must be a relief for you.

Jedi · Jul 31, 2007

Calliso said:
What is funny about that last sentence? The one about relieving stress? Cause it certainly does.

The ignorant mock and laugh at what they don't understand. It's all they can do as they have no evidence to counter the facts.

Calliso · Jul 31, 2007

PeaceLover02 said:
Its a proven fact that masturbation also relieves stress.

Exactly and I am sure more then a few people here could attest to that!

Gamezilla · Jul 31, 2007

Calliso said:
What is funny about that last sentence? The one about relieving stress? Cause it certainly does.

I just saw it as funny. I have experience with it too, and it only caused more stress for me. Thoughts came up like: "Why am I doing this?", "This feels so shameful", "Would God approve of this?", "Am I normal.". I know a lot of people do it, but no one has been able to answer my question. What's the point, except sexual stimulation?

Gamezilla · Jul 31, 2007

Jedi said:
The ignorant mock and laugh at what they don't understand. It's all they can do as they have no evidence to counter the facts.

The ignorant? Buddy, I never said masturbation was wrong. I really think you need to study some of my posts before you throw insults at me.

BloodwashedPilgrim · Jul 31, 2007

Gamezilla said:
I just saw it as funny. I have experience with it too, and it only caused more stress for me. Thoughts came up like: "Why am I doing this?", "This feels so shameful", "Would God approve of this?", "Am I normal.". I know a lot of people do it, but no one has been able to answer my question. What's the point, except sexual stimulation?

I know the feeling. Even after several times of pleading for response, I never got any responses to the Scripture I presented much earlier in this post. Everyone is too busy attacking FloatingAxe. It is an intersesting debate, but has become more of a heated flaming thread. I can certainly relate to your statements though. I was more stressed for sure and probably had all such phrases verbatum run through my head at some time. It will probably be said it's more sexual relief than stimulation, or something along those lines (not that that justifies it).

Much love in Christ.

Ave Maria · Jul 31, 2007

Calliso said:
Exactly and I am sure more then a few people here could attest to that!

True!

Dannager · Jul 31, 2007

Gamezilla said:
I just saw it as funny. I have experience with it too, and it only caused more stress for me. Thoughts came up like: "Why am I doing this?", "This feels so shameful", "Would God approve of this?", "Am I normal.". I know a lot of people do it, but no one has been able to answer my question. What's the point, except sexual stimulation?

The point is relief, and sexual stimulation. That's the point. There's nothing wrong with that. Your guilt is coming from the way you were raised and what you were exposed to, not God convicting you of anything. You need to learn to confront that guilt and examine why it exists.

Dannager · Jul 31, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Not like JESUS does!!!

Ah, but the two in combination work wonders for your stress level.

Calliso · Jul 31, 2007

Dannager said:
Ah, but the two in combination work wonders for your stress level.

So true!!!

Gamezilla · Jul 31, 2007

Dannager said:
The point is relief, and sexual stimulation. That's the point. There's nothing wrong with that. Your guilt is coming from the way you were raised and what you were exposed to, not God convicting you of anything. You need to learn to confront that guilt and examine why it exists.

Dude, I was not raised being told "Masturbating is wrong! IT'S WRONG!". When I had my experience with it, it was out of curiosity. Don't think you should point to anyone's raising unless you know something about them, bud. The feeling I had were real feelings that any NORMAL person should have. When you touch 3 times everyday, then I doubt you'll have those feelings anymore. I see it as a stupid practice. It's not like I'm saying this without having done it!

Gamezilla · Jul 31, 2007

BloodwashedPilgrim said:
I know the feeling. Even after several times of pleading for response, I never got any responses to the Scripture I presented much earlier in this post. Everyone is too busy attacking FloatingAxe. It is an intersesting debate, but has become more of a heated flaming thread. I can certainly relate to your statements though. I was more stressed for sure and probably had all such phrases verbatum run through my head at some time. It will probably be said it's more sexual relief than stimulation, or something along those lines (not that that justifies it).

Much love in Christ.

Good to see that someone else in this thread feels the same way I do about this. It's sad that this argument has gotten so heated over a subject like this. It's also sad that some of these guys have to argue it this much to make themselves feel better. They have no more evidence that it's good for them than anyone else does about it being bad. It all comes down to pleasure. Like I said, what's the point? Why can't you wait till that special point in your life where you find the person you love? Is it not shameful to you that you have to resort to masturbation just because you can't wait or can't get the real thing? I know some of this might sound offensive, but a lot of people resort to masturbation as a way to stimulate themselves because they can't face a healthy sexual relationship with another person.

Jedi · Jul 31, 2007

Gamezilla said:
Dude, I was not raised being told "Masturbating is wrong! IT'S WRONG!". When I had my experience with it, it was out of curiosity. Don't think you should point to anyone's raising unless you know something about them, bud.

It’s possible that your feelings of guilt stem from fear: you’re experiencing new sensations by stimulating your body in the “no-no place.” That’s enough to cause feelings of anxiety and uncertainty.

The feeling I had were real feelings that any NORMAL person should have.

Says who? You? I’m glad to hear that 16-year olds are authorities on ethics and psychological standards of modern day man. I’m sorry, but simply because you experience feelings of guilt does not mean the act is, indeed, wrong. You just feel that way and morality is not dictated by your feelings.

It's also sad that some of these guys have to argue it this much to make themselves feel better.

Thanks for the ad hominem, but you’ll have to do better than this. You accuse others of having ulterior motives simply because they disagree with you. Forget the possibility that *gasp!* people disagree with you simply because you don’t have a strong case and the evidence is not in your favor.

They have no more evidence that it's good for them than anyone else does about it being bad.

On the contrary, I and others have pointed out the positive aspects of masturbation. Stress relief, increase of self-knowledge concerning one’s sexuality, the promotion of a healthy sex drive, a means of relieving sexual tension without turning to other means (e.g. promiscuity), not having to wake up in a mess of sperm because of wet dreams (for the guys). The fact of the matter is that any act is morally innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof in this discussion is not on people to show how masturbation is morally excellent; the burden of proof is on the prosecutors to show how it is inherently guilty in a moral sense (i.e. sinful).

Is it not shameful to you that you have to resort to masturbation just because you can't wait or can't get the real thing?

“Sex can wait, touch!” Why wait to relieve sexual tension when there’s no need? Masturbation is a means of sexual relief until the proper time arrives so that the person can experience the fullness of their sexuality in marriage.

I know some of this might sound offensive, but a lot of people resort to masturbation as a way to stimulate themselves because they can't face a healthy sexual relationship with another person.

Another diagnosis from Dr. Gamezilla, eh? Interestingly enough, my main concern about people not masturbating is their inability to be comfortable with their own sexuality. If they’re afraid of even solitary sexual pleasures, how much more timid will they be in the wedding bed? The “ew, sex, icky-poo” attitude seems to be harbored primarily by non-masturbators. It’s these who do not touch who seem more likely to have unhealthy sexual relationships with other people. Those who touch tend to be more open about it and comfortable with the subject.

Gukkor · Jul 31, 2007

I don't really see how it makes any difference to the discussion whether or not Gamezilla (or anyone else, for that matter) chooses to touch or not. If you want to touch, touch. If you don't, don't. I mean, the sides in this debate are "masturbation is inherently wrong" and "masturbation isn't inherently wrong," not "masturbation is inherently wrong" and "NOT masturbating is inherently wrong," right?

Jedi · Jul 31, 2007

Of course, yet the obvious problem is that people like to shake their self-righteous fingers of condemnation at those who do things they disagree with, even if they cannot provide any reason to condemn them (Perhaps they do this just to make themselves feel better?). Just take a look at Floatingaxe's posts. Pretty clear cut.

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