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It wasn't long ago that Hair Balls took it upon themselves to compile the list of the five greatest idiocies Rep. Louie Gohmert has uttered. Inhabiting the worst tendencies of a Tea Party/Christianist, Gohmert has taken it upon himself to remind future students of history that the early 21st century was not kind to Texas, and that anti-intellectualism carried greater water than any form of inquisitive humility.

But after this week, it's clear that our earlier attempt to capture all the reprehensible and moronic things Gohmert's offered cannot be a one-off. You can't hope to stable all his idiotic views in but one post. It's got to become a series, a serial in which all the things Gohmert brings up -- all those views that make us realize how terrifically imbecilic the man makes the state seem -- are captured as they come. A continual update on the man who makes those in Lufkin, Nacogdoches, and Tyler look as backward as anything this side of George Wallace.

Fortunately, this was a good week for those on Gohmert watch.
Louie Gohmert Continues to Embarrass Texas, Believes Nuclear Reduction and Border Security Somehow Related


Five greatest idiocies of Louie Gohmert
5. While discussing the putative reality that caribou, for some reason that only a rural Texan representative could fathom, enjoy the warmth of an oil pipeline: "So when [caribou] want to go on a date, they invite each other to head over to the pipeline. ... So my real concern now [is] if oil stops running through the pipeline ... do we need a study to see how adversely the caribou would be affected if that warm oil ever quit flowing?"

I'm pretty sure that the only thing we'd need a follow-up study on, Mr. Gohmert, is whether you have cracked a lone biology book within the past few decades, or if you'd like to cite, I don't know, a single study purporting to back up the notion that a warm pipeline -- a warm pipeline -- will expedite the mating rituals of ungulates. (Or have you ever even encountered the word "ungulate" before?) Fortunately, George HW Bush had a thought along the same lines, saying, "The caribou love [the pipeline]. They rub against it and they have babies." Fair enough, Mr. President. Whatever you say.

4. After the massacre in Aurora, Colo., Gohmert determined that the cause of James Holmes's rampage wasn't, say, mental health issues, or some form of social trigger -- but, rather, that he didn't have the appropriate fear of a vengeful, unforgiving God: "You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of terror like this takes place. ... We've threatened high school graduation participations, if they use God's name, they're going to be jailed ... I mean that kind of stuff. Where was God? What have we done with God? We don't want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present."

Right, Louie. I'm sure your God took such great offense to being taken out of the valedictory remarks that he let 12 people get gunned down. I'm sure your God is such an egoistic priss that he decided to get back at us for not being the sufficiently pious nation we once were -- what, like when we legally sanctioned Jim Crow? or when your state employed human chattel? or when we snapped every antebellum treaty signed with a Native American tribe? -- that He said, No, fine, James, this is all you, whatever you want. I'm sure that's how your Judeo-Christian God works. He has feelings too, you know. 3. When nominating Florida Rep. Allen West as Speaker of the House ... after West had already lost his reelection bid. (Louie didn't so much say as anything terribly heinous this time around, but it was certainly one of the most moronic moves he's yet made. West, well-known for being nearly court martialed for firing a gun past an already-held suspect's head in Iraq, was one of the scummier politicians recently in the House. Gohmert couldn't get enough of him.)

2. Last week, Gohmert went to WorldNetDaily, one of the only conspiracy sites giving Alex Jones a run, to spout, once more, a belief that the enemies have already reached our shore: "This administration has so many Muslim Brotherhood members that have influence that they just are making wrong decisions for America."

"So many," he says. This administration, this claque pushing into a second term the predominance of the American people demanded, has "so many Muslim Brotherhood members" within it. Not that he'd like to name any other than, say, Huma Abedin, the former Hilary Clinton aide that Gohmert and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann determined was a mole last summer. Ted Cruz has already grabbed the mantle of Modern McCarthyism, so Gohmert has to conduct a few House hearings before he can threaten Cruz's position. But he's on his way. Proof is for the weak. Slander is for the successful. And it's high-time the administration of the B. Hussein Gang is revealed for the anti-American, pro-Allah clique it is.

1. Much like Houston's own State Rep. Debbie Riddle, Gohmert is convinced, all evidence otherwise, that there are terrorist organizations -- somewhere, somehow -- concocting schemes to send their pregnant Black Widows to our American shores, spawning natural-born terrorists, and then using them and their US Citizenship Cards, decades on, to decimate the land we call home: "[The children] could be raised and coddled as future terrorists [and] twenty, thirty years down the road, they can be sent in to help destroy our way of life."

The Five Most Idiotic Things Louie Gohmert, Who Sees Radical Muslims Anywhere He Looks, Believes

There are lot of these guys who know better and are only pandering to to the base. Louie actually believes these things. Even his fellow republicans in Congress think it's funny.
 
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It's an impressive team:

Michael Dreeben (criminal appellate cases)
Andrew Weissmann (criminal fraud unit of the DOJ)
Jeannie Rhee (deputy attorney general)
James Quarles (assistant special prosecutor in the Watergate investigation)
Aaron Zebley (assistant US attorney in the national security and terrorism unit)
Greg Andres (deputy assistant attorney general in the DOJ’s criminal division)
Zainab Ahmad (US attorney in the Eastern District of New York, specializing in organized crime.)
Aaron Zelinsky (US attorney's office in Maryland under Rod Rosenstein, Trump Russia investigation)
Kyle Freeny (Money laundering prosecution)
Andrew Goldstein (federal prosecutor money laundering and asset forfeiture cases)
Brandon Van Grack (federal prosecutor national security, espionage, and international crime cases
(Meet the all-star team of lawyers Robert Mueller has working on the Trump-Russia investigation. Business Insider)
That's the short list, now as far as the interview on Mark Levin's show I only got half of it. Where is the rest of it. I'm not impressed, even though I found the rest of the interview. I'm not impressed with Mark Levin and the interview.
 
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It's an impressive team:

Michael Dreeben (criminal appellate cases)
Andrew Weissmann (criminal fraud unit of the DOJ)
Jeannie Rhee (deputy attorney general)
James Quarles (assistant special prosecutor in the Watergate investigation)
Aaron Zebley (assistant US attorney in the national security and terrorism unit)
Greg Andres (deputy assistant attorney general in the DOJ’s criminal division)
Zainab Ahmad (US attorney in the Eastern District of New York, specializing in organized crime.)
Aaron Zelinsky (US attorney's office in Maryland under Rod Rosenstein, Trump Russia investigation)
Kyle Freeny (Money laundering prosecution)
Andrew Goldstein (federal prosecutor money laundering and asset forfeiture cases)
Brandon Van Grack (federal prosecutor national security, espionage, and international crime cases
(Meet the all-star team of lawyers Robert Mueller has working on the Trump-Russia investigation. Business Insider)
That's the short list, now as far as the interview on Mark Levin's show I only got half of it. Where is the rest of it. I'm not impressed, even though I found the rest of the interview. I'm not impressed with Mark Levin and the interview.
Seems to be there in full when I check the link. OK if you are not impressed, that is fine. If you want to argue the facts that are presented in the interview, find some evidence and post it. I am not forcing you to believe anything.
 
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Seems to be there in full when I check the link. OK if you are not impressed, that is fine. If you want to argue the facts that are presented in the interview, find some evidence and post it. I am not forcing you to believe anything.
I got to the point were he went to a break, and found that everytime I looked for it. No big deal, I found the transcript. It went down hill from there, the Enron and Merrill Lynch prosecutions seemed promising but I still have no idea how this translates into the Mueller investigation. Enron was a debacle and the deregulation of insurance companies was a disaster, it's almost as bad as the savings and loan debacle. How it might have been prosecuted might be of importance but I don't consider Mark Levin to be a great source. Details are important.
 
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I got to the point were he went to a break, and found that everytime I looked for it. No big deal, I found the transcript. It went down hill from there, the Enron and Merrill Lynch prosecutions seemed promising but I still have no idea how this translates into the Mueller investigation. Enron was a debacle and the deregulation of insurance companies was a disaster, it's almost as bad as the savings and loan debacle. How it might have been prosecuted might be of importance but I don't consider Mark Levin to be a great source. Details are important.
Well Mueller selected a lead prosecutor who has some very questionable convictions and activities associated with those convictions. The tiger may have changed his stripes or maybe we should be keeping a close eye on his activities and how he proceeds to get his evidence and convictions. There is a question as to his values as they relate to the ends justifies any means.
 
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Anyone who actually puts any merit in Hannity's credibility deserves to wallow in uninformed bias. So much of his distortions and fabrications have been thoroughly debunked... https://www.nationalmemo.com/debunked-hannitys-shameless-lies-about-muellers-record/?cn-reloaded=1

Wasn't Hannity one of Cohen's secret clients too? Cohen, the fellow who was Donald's personal fixer & lawyer who pleaded guilty & is on his way to prison. Another feather in the cap for Mueller. Not that you need that recap, lol.
 
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Definitely a sign of innocence when you defensively start sputtering "B-b-b-but they're not perfect either!".
Ringo

Whuddayamean? are you saying that's not a valid defense argument?? /s

lol
 
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Well Mueller selected a lead prosecutor who has some very questionable convictions and activities associated with those convictions. The tiger may have changed his stripes or maybe we should be keeping a close eye on his activities and how he proceeds to get his evidence and convictions. There is a question as to his values as they relate to the ends justifies any means.
This is typical Fox propaganda, listened to Levin for years, he was a hack then and he is a hack now. The Author Anderson case didn't go south because of some misconduct, the jury was given poor instructions and the Sarbanes-Oxley Act was enacted in the wake of Enron and obstruction became next to impossible to prove. That doesn't mean the accounting firm was not shredding documents. I'd strongly suggest double checking anything from FoxNews because they generally don't stand up to close scrutiny. It's no wonder Trump likes them, they are cut from the same cloth.
 
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What I don't like is people such as Hannity, gohmert, Jordan, and people of their ilk on either side who believe that attacking the person instead of the evidence justifies any consideration. I thought it quite sad how gohmert questioned Strzok ...I'm curious did he ever rail against trumps myriad sexual escapades? I thought it amusing too his exchange with Rosenstein who added after gohmert's non-questioning ramble - "I apologize! I thought you were asking me questions, sir." Then continued to explain the FISA process....

So it isn't a question of differing opinions it is rather a question of motive, substance, evidence, facts, and perceived bias. I thought it also amusing the criticism of Mueller for going after a democrat...and then trying to defend trump's bias charges. I believe that anyone who looks at Mueller's overall record will find an honorable man of integrity doing the job he was given to do...that too was the point of hannity's false claims against Mueller, there is no interest in the truth only in defending the indefensible. So yes, one should question the motives of one who brings claims against another...and so far I recall a trump cabinet member calling Mueller's indictments "incontrovertible".

So this is all based on you don't like the way he questioned a disgraced, highly biased FBI agent that got fired for his actions?
 
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[Staff edit].

Here is what we know about Mueller’s record on those matters during his time in Boston.


What involvement did Mueller have with Bulger?


None. Mueller served in the US attorney’s office in Boston from 1982 to 1988, as chief of the criminal division, first assistant US attorney, and as acting US attorney for more than a year. During that time, Bulger ran a sprawling criminal enterprise and got away with murders because he was a longtime FBI informant who corrupted his handlers. The FBI and the New England Organized Crime Strike Force, a prosecutorial unit that worked independently of the US attorney’s office and reported directly to the Justice Department, used Bulger to build cases against the Mafia and gave him a pass on his own crimes. The FBI’s corrupt relationship with Bulger was exposed after he was indicted on federal racketeering charges in 1995 and became a fugitive. He was captured 16 years later .

Were four men framed by an FBI informant and wrongfully imprisoned for years, while two died in prison?

Yes, but that informant was not Bulger. Mob hitman-turned-government witness Joseph “The Animal” Barboza testified in a 1968 trial that led to the wrongful convictions of Joseph Salvati, Peter J. Limone, Louis Greco, and Henry Tameleo for the 1965 slaying of a small-time hoodlum named Edward “Teddy” Deegan. Tameleo and Greco died in prison. The men proclaimed their innocence, but members of the FBI, the US attorney’s office, and the Suffolk district attorney’s office vigorously lobbied against clemency for them throughout the 1980s and 1990s.

Their case drew scrutiny after details of the FBI’s corrupt relationship with Bulger and his sidekick, Stephen Flemmi, began to emerge in 1998, triggering an investigation into the agency’s mishandling of informants dating to the 1960s. In 2000, a Justice Department task force uncovered secret FBI documents indicating Barboza framed the four men, while protecting one of the real killers — Flemmi’s brother. Limone was freed in 2001, and Salvati had been pardoned in 1997.

Did Mueller know the four men had been wrongly convicted and look the other way?


There’s nothing linking Mueller to that case, according to several attorneys for the men, voluminous court records, and a former federal judge who presided over their wrongful imprisonment trial. In 2007, then US District Judge Nancy Gertner found that the FBI deliberately withheld evidence that the four men were innocent and that the bureau helped cover up the injustice for decades. She ordered the government to pay the men and their families $101.7 million.

“Absolutely nothing in the record that I saw suggested Mueller’s involvement in any way in either the initial acts that led to the four men’s imprisonment, or the acts that ended in their continued imprisonment and denying them parole or the coverup,” Gertner said Friday.

Was Mueller among the prosecutors who wrote letters to the Massachusetts parole board opposing the release of the four before evidence emerged that they had been framed?

No, according to Gertner and Limone’s attorney, Juliane Balliro, who scoured copies of the parole board records for the four men. There were no letters from Mueller in the files and his signature “never appeared on anything I ever saw or can recall,’’ Balliro said.

Former Massachusetts Parole Board member Michael Albano, who complained of intimidation and retaliation by the FBI after he voted in favor of commutation for Limone in 1983, said Thursday that he’s convinced that at one time he saw a letter from Mueller, written in the 1980s, opposing the release of one of the four men.

A 2011 column by the Globe’s Kevin Cullen has been cited in recent media reports that attempt to link Mueller to the wrongfully imprisoned men. At the time, Cullen said Mueller wrote letters to the parole and pardons board throughout the 1980s opposing clemency for the men. But, in a column Friday, Cullen said he heard that from Albano but did not see any letters from Mueller.


After the FBI was found responsible in 2007 for framing the men, Mueller, then the FBI director, characterized the case as a debacle.
How do Sean Hannity’s attempts to link Robert Mueller to ‘Whitey’ Bulger hold up? - The Boston Globe

Sunlight is a great disinfectant.
 
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One has to remember that the FBI in the 1960s was highly corrupt. The director, J. Edgar Hoover engaged in all sorts of illegal activities, illegally snooping on politicians. If he found anything embarrassing, he'd let them know he knew, to keep them from doing anything he disliked.

He used all sorts of disinformation campaigns to harm people who had in some way offended him.
J Edgar Hoover's oversteps: Why FBI directors are forbidden from getting cozy with presidents

So it's not at all surprising that there might have been agents at that time who would be inclined to frame innocent people.
 
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Here is what we know about Mueller’s record on those matters during his time in Boston.

What involvement did Mueller have with Bulger?


None. Mueller served in the US attorney’s office in Boston from 1982 to 1988, as chief of the criminal division, first assistant US attorney, and as acting US attorney for more than a year. During that time, Bulger ran a sprawling criminal enterprise and got away with murders because he was a longtime FBI informant who corrupted his handlers. The FBI and the New England Organized Crime Strike Force, a prosecutorial unit that worked independently of the US attorney’s office and reported directly to the Justice Department, used Bulger to build cases against the Mafia and gave him a pass on his own crimes. The FBI’s corrupt relationship with Bulger was exposed after he was indicted on federal racketeering charges in 1995 and became a fugitive. He was captured 16 years later .

Were four men framed by an FBI informant and wrongfully imprisoned for years, while two died in prison?

Yes, but that informant was not Bulger. Mob hitman-turned-government witness Joseph “The Animal” Barboza testified in a 1968 trial that led to the wrongful convictions of Joseph Salvati, Peter J. Limone, Louis Greco, and Henry Tameleo for the 1965 slaying of a small-time hoodlum named Edward “Teddy” Deegan. Tameleo and Greco died in prison. The men proclaimed their innocence, but members of the FBI, the US attorney’s office, and the Suffolk district attorney’s office vigorously lobbied against clemency for them throughout the 1980s and 1990s.

Their case drew scrutiny after details of the FBI’s corrupt relationship with Bulger and his sidekick, Stephen Flemmi, began to emerge in 1998, triggering an investigation into the agency’s mishandling of informants dating to the 1960s. In 2000, a Justice Department task force uncovered secret FBI documents indicating Barboza framed the four men, while protecting one of the real killers — Flemmi’s brother. Limone was freed in 2001, and Salvati had been pardoned in 1997.

Did Mueller know the four men had been wrongly convicted and look the other way?


There’s nothing linking Mueller to that case, according to several attorneys for the men, voluminous court records, and a former federal judge who presided over their wrongful imprisonment trial. In 2007, then US District Judge Nancy Gertner found that the FBI deliberately withheld evidence that the four men were innocent and that the bureau helped cover up the injustice for decades. She ordered the government to pay the men and their families $101.7 million.

“Absolutely nothing in the record that I saw suggested Mueller’s involvement in any way in either the initial acts that led to the four men’s imprisonment, or the acts that ended in their continued imprisonment and denying them parole or the coverup,” Gertner said Friday.

Was Mueller among the prosecutors who wrote letters to the Massachusetts parole board opposing the release of the four before evidence emerged that they had been framed?

No, according to Gertner and Limone’s attorney, Juliane Balliro, who scoured copies of the parole board records for the four men. There were no letters from Mueller in the files and his signature “never appeared on anything I ever saw or can recall,’’ Balliro said.

Former Massachusetts Parole Board member Michael Albano, who complained of intimidation and retaliation by the FBI after he voted in favor of commutation for Limone in 1983, said Thursday that he’s convinced that at one time he saw a letter from Mueller, written in the 1980s, opposing the release of one of the four men.

A 2011 column by the Globe’s Kevin Cullen has been cited in recent media reports that attempt to link Mueller to the wrongfully imprisoned men. At the time, Cullen said Mueller wrote letters to the parole and pardons board throughout the 1980s opposing clemency for the men. But, in a column Friday, Cullen said he heard that from Albano but did not see any letters from Mueller.


After the FBI was found responsible in 2007 for framing the men, Mueller, then the FBI director, characterized the case as a debacle.
How do Sean Hannity’s attempts to link Robert Mueller to ‘Whitey’ Bulger hold up? - The Boston Globe

Sunlight is a great disinfectant.

So why no mention of John Morris who was Connolly's sidekick/boss and reported directly to Mueller? You know the guy who ratted out Connolly when he was indicted for the murders of Callahan and Wheeler to save/protect himself and Mueller.

[Staff edit].

Maybe you should watch "The Departed", you know the movie that was made based on the corruption of those people. :doh:
 
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Maybe you should watch "The Departed", you know the movie that was made based on the corruption of those people. :doh:
I prefer the original Hong Kong versions: "Infernal Affairs" don't get me wrong, "The Departed" was pretty good but the Hong Kong one was way better! :wave:
tulc(is just sayn') :sorry:
 
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