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What do you do with this baby killer?

What should we do with killers like these?

  • Torture, then death penalty

  • death penalty

  • life in prison

  • prison and rehabilitation if possible

  • other


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stan1980

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Life for microwave baby killer


mother who murdered her one-month-old daughter by burning her to death in a microwave oven has been sentenced to life in prison without parole.

China Arnold, 28, was spared the death penalty when the jury in Dayton, Ohio failed to reach a consensus.


Prosecutors said Arnold, who maintains she is innocent, killed her daughter in 2005 after a fight with her boyfriend.


Judge Mary Wiseman said the crime was "shocking and utterly abhorrent for a civilised society".


"No adjectives exist to adequately describe this heinous atrocity," Judge Wiseman said, rejecting a plea by Arnold's lawyers for a sentence that allowed the possibility of parole after 25 years in prison.
Arnold was not in court to hear her sentence, but followed proceedings by video-link from a side room.


Cell confession

The court had heard that China Arnold had argued with her boyfriend Terrell Talley about whether he was the biological father of baby Paris.


Officials investigating the case said Paris Talley had suffered high-heat internal burns but had no external marks.


Prosecutors said that the baby's DNA had been found inside the microwave in Arnold's apartment.


Arnold's cellmate told the court that she had confessed to putting her daughter in the microwave and switching it on, because she was afraid that her boyfriend would leave her if he discovered that he was not the baby's father.


The defence team said that there was evidence that somebody else was responsible for Paris Talley's death, and that the cellmate had now changed her story.


Arnold's lawyers now want a third trial. The first hearing was declared a mistrial when new witnesses came forward.


Arnold "has faith in the system, she is strong and will continue to fight until her innocence is proven", said her lawyer Jon Paul Rion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7605472.stm

I think we can all agree this is a tragic story.

My questions...

What should society do with killers such as these?
Can we do anything to help prevent stuff like this happening in the future? What needs to change?
 

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stan1980 said:
What should society do with killers such as these?
Society has already told us: Life in prison without parole.



Can we do anything to help prevent stuff like this happening in the future?
Nothing.



What needs to change?
Nothing.
 
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Frag the [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]. She doesn't deserve to live.

Does that thinking fit in with the humanist world view?


why is there an option for torture? that's horrible

Merely to appease some of the more blood thirst posters ;)


Society has already told us: Life in prison without parole.

Yes thanks for pointing that out, I was more interested in what you think should happen, rather than what has happened



Nothing.




Nothing.

Thanks for your input
 
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stan1980 said:
Washington said:
Society has already told us: Life in prison without parole.
Yes thanks for pointing that out, I was more interested in what you think should happen, rather than what has happened.
And I think what should happen is what did happen. We let our judicial system take care of it. Isn't that what all citizens should want to happen?

Of course if someone thinks the system is wrong then they have the privilege of trying to change it.
 
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Well it's something I've been thinking a lot about lately, is our system fair? I don't know anything about the background of this woman, but I imagine she has had a terrible, rough upbringing, for her to turn into a person who would microwave her own baby. Now, if this is the case, I think society has let her down. Do we now, turn our backs on her, by washing our hands of her and giving her life without parole, or should we help her? I prefer the latter option.

I realise posting on an internet forum wont change a lot, I was just interested in thoughts on that.
 
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Does that thinking fit in with the humanist world view?

To me it's justice, such a crime really doesn't deserve rehabilitation, and life imprisonment without a chance for parole really has no purpose but to suck up tax dollars better spent on people who aren't criminals.
 
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To me it's justice, such a crime really doesn't deserve rehabilitation, and life imprisonment without a chance for parole really has no purpose but to suck up tax dollars better spent on people who aren't criminals.

I don't agree. If we could turn her life around, then wouldn't some good have come from this sorry episode?
 
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I don't agree. If we could turn her life around, then wouldn't some good have come from this sorry episode?

Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, I just don't feel that someone who could do such a horrible thing is even worth the attempt. Frying your own one month old child in a microwave? I'm pretty de-sensitized after the things I've seen, but that even makes me sick.
 
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Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, I just don't feel that someone who could do such a horrible thing is even worth the attempt. Frying your own one month old child in a microwave? I'm pretty de-sensitized after the things I've seen, but that even makes me sick.


Some things are just so out there you have to quest the mentality of the one who does it.
 
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Yep... it is a tragic story!
The death penalty was very much needed in this case. Let the punishment fit the crime!

Frag her and let her answer to the great beyond. ^_^
 
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Standard sentences in the U.S. for child murder are generally in the 10-15 year range. This one may be appropriate for transfer to the state mental hospital indefinitely following completion of the sentence.

While outrage and bloodlust over such offenders is understandable, it is interesting to note murders of infants and toddlers are often easily solved and the offenders confess. But considering the sexual assaults of children (sexual abuse) most of these cases result in no charges being filed at all as law enforcement and prosecutors see primarily "He said..she said" and evidence does not go beyond that. People normally express similar outrage about child rape....until the accused offender happens to be their brother, father, neighbor, soccer coach, etc., then the extended family and community generally will rally around him and say the victim's lying. Just sayin'. Human nature, I suppose.
 
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Well it's something I've been thinking a lot about lately, is our system fair? I don't know anything about the background of this woman, but I imagine she has had a terrible, rough upbringing, for her to turn into a person who would microwave her own baby. Now, if this is the case, I think society has let her down. Do we now, turn our backs on her, by washing our hands of her and giving her life without parole, or should we help her? I prefer the latter option.

I realise posting on an internet forum wont change a lot, I was just interested in thoughts on that.



wow. all I have to say is 'wow' to this post. Theres MANY people who have had a hard time in society who don't microwave their baby! wake up


Death penalty. She is a danger to other human beings and to little children and could do something like this again if she lives. She is a menace to society. Let God sort her out in the afterlife. The most loving thing a person could do is rid this woman from society. Keeping this woman alive would be endangering other people and especially children. I mean what if she escaped from prison or an institution and killed another child?
 
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