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What do you do when...?

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This morning we were visiting another church (for our niece's dedication)

Worship was really good. They had a good selection of songs that focused attention on God's greatness, His holiness, His mercy, etc.
I didn't care for the 1st song, but that was just my personal taste - it was a call to worship song, so it was appropriate (Come, Now Is The Time To Worship).

ANYWAYS.... Like I said, It was going great. The songs carried a theme of honoring God, the musicians were pretty good (except for the drumming - but that's ok, I'm just particularly fond of good drumming)
But then they switched to a song that had nothing to do with the others (all of which, by the way were soaked with Scripture - maybe that's why they were so good,) The song that ruined the atmosphere of worship had no scripture in it, was not based in reality, and was only a "feel good" song. In fact, part of it really contains very bad theology. (And I'm not just talking about denominational differencences.)

What do you do when that happens? Does it ever happen to anyone else?
 

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hi holyrokker...
The song that ruined the atmosphere of worship had no scripture in it, was not based in reality, and was only a "feel good" song. In fact, part of it really contains very bad theology. (And I'm not just talking about denominational differencences.)

are you sure about this? not that im saying u might be wrong but share to us the song and lyrics.. maybe i shud hear it and let's discuss about the song after we know what it is... but you know sumtyms there's a lot of that... but nways... i hope u dont mind sharing us the song... i mean what the song was.

This is good way of exegeting the topic and analying/studying it... perhaps we could all learn from it. Thanks.

In Christ,
Jo
 
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holyrokker said:
The song that ruined the atmosphere of worship had no scripture in it, was not based in reality, and was only a "feel good" song. In fact, part of it really contains very bad theology. (And I'm not just talking about denominational differencences.)

What do you do when that happens? Does it ever happen to anyone else?

What song was it?


I could probably share my thoughts easier if I knew the song you are talking about.

Personally, I have no problem singing something that has no scripture in it. Sure, it must not contradict scripture, but just look at Psalms. "Sing a new song to the Lord." All the praises David sang were not necessarily scriputural.

As far as what do I do when I hear a song I don't particularly like? If it is in a time of worship I pray to God and worship him anyways. Although the song might not be of your taste, or if you agree with it, you can still worship God in it. It also becomes a problem in worship when we come to worship God with the mentality of, "What can I get out of this? I hope the musicians are good. I'm not giving anything to God unless I hear good vocals. Oh, and the phrasing of the lyrics is awful. And, what in the world was that person thinking when they wrote it? I don't feel good when I'm singing this." All those thoughts can come from Satan to distract us from who we've come to worship. When we come up against something we don't like, we have to worship anyways because God deserves worship no matter what.

Just my thoughts... :)
 
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keyz said:
What song was it?


I could probably share my thoughts easier if I knew the song you are talking about.

Personally, I have no problem singing something that has no scripture in it. Sure, it must not contradict scripture, but just look at Psalms. "Sing a new song to the Lord." All the praises David sang were not necessarily scriputural.

As far as what do I do when I hear a song I don't particularly like? If it is in a time of worship I pray to God and worship him anyways. Although the song might not be of your taste, or if you agree with it, you can still worship God in it. It also becomes a problem in worship when we come to worship God with the mentality of, "What can I get out of this? I hope the musicians are good. I'm not giving anything to God unless I hear good vocals. Oh, and the phrasing of the lyrics is awful. And, what in the world was that person thinking when they wrote it? I don't feel good when I'm singing this." All those thoughts can come from Satan to distract us from who we've come to worship. When we come up against something we don't like, we have to worship anyways because God deserves worship no matter what.

Just my thoughts... :)

AMEN. Well put.
 
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hi keyz, i agree with what you said. It's true that it's not about the instruments, not about the vocals and the harmony and if whether or not thelyrics just kept repeating itself even if they are not anything related to any verse in the Bible ... JUST as long as they don't contradict what the Word is... it's all about what's inside our hearts.

Our hearts are the ones singing for the Lord... giving honor and praise to Him.

Share the song too... I'm sure we would all like to see how it myt have affected your view. God bless holyrokker!
 
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I Could Sing of Your Love Forever

Over the mountains and the sea
Your river runs with love for me
And I will open up my heart
And let the Healer set me free

I'm happy to be in the truth
And I will daily lift my hands
For I will always sing
of when Your love came down.

I could sing of Your love forever
I could sing of Your love forever
(repeat)

bridge:
Oh, I feel like dancing
It's foolishness I know
But when the world has seen the light
They will dance with joy
like we're dancing now.
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holyrokker said:
The song was "I Could Sing of Your Love Forever"

Now, can you please back up your above accusations? Personally, I don't see where your going at... I don't see bad theology, it can be very much reality (if we so choose to live it), and is it wrong to feel good while singing this song? For myself, whenever I sing about God's love my heart is filled with joy. His love makes me feel really good! Is that a problem?

I don't see what you are getting after here... maybe you could explain some. :)
 
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hi there holyrokker, thanks for sharing that... I wasn't sure so it's always best to post the lyrics which i did in my previous post. ;)
Anyway,
But then they switched to a song that had nothing to do with the others (all of which, by the way were soaked with Scripture - maybe that's why they were so good,) The song that ruined the atmosphere of worship had no scripture in it, was not based in reality, and was only a "feel good" song. In fact, part of it really contains very bad theology. (And I'm not just talking about denominational differencences.)

I'm glad you had thoughts about the songs we sing, which sometimes we also need to have, we also need to look and realize what the contents and the hidden contexts of the songs we often sing.
I'm just going to base everything I say from quoting you; when you said that the worship team switched to a song that had nothing to do with the other songs... you meant to say that the song itself is not worthy of being included in the worship service since it wasn't "scripture soaked" or per say had nothing to do with the scripture.

Well why don't we exegete the song better, perhaps you had a misunderstanding or perhaps we are just looking at it in a different perspective.

"I could sing of your love forever..." in Psalm 59- it will tell u a verse that goes, "but i will sing of your strength, in the morning I will sing of Your love; for You are my fortress and my refuge in times of trouble.
in Psalm 89- the first verse says, I will sing of the Lord's great love forever...

"Over the mountains and the sea;Your river runs with love for me..." this verse perhaps pertains to metaphorically describing how higher than any mountain could ever reach, and wider than any sea can ever reach, God gives abundant and continuous(river) love for us... by grace alone, reminding us that we do not deserve anything. Perhaps this could help as well... I'm really not sure which verse is it and since i dont have a bible beside me, I know somewer between Psalm 46-47 I believe there is a verse that will say... "there is a river that dwells with God and its streams make Him glad."

"And let the Healer set me free..." God is Jehovah Raffa the "God who Heals" and to set free is us. who's captives of sin in Psalm 69:33 The Lord hears the needy and does not despise His captive people. We are the needy, in need for the Lord, we are the captives, captives of sin.

"I will daily lift my hands..."- in honor and praise to the ONLY God whom we are to serve and live for, is only our Hevenly Father. He is the only one who deserves out praise.

"when Your love came down"- God is love; Jesus Christ embodies the meaning of love, Jesus Christ and the Father are One; When Jesus Christ came down from the riches of Heaven giving it up to be on Earth, and when He died and paid for our debts... that was the greatest act of love any being, entity, person could ever do. That's why God gives "agape" love.
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when you said that it is not based on reality, well let's just put it this way... God's ways are so different from the world and from reality that we ourselves (human being) will never be able to comprehend. God's love is real, and it is abundant, and it is boundless, it can never be measured, for a person to say that he/she will devote their lives in worshiping and just singing praises for God alone is also possible and yes... it is a "feel good" song because it re-affirms one's passion to give praises to God alone throug music and songs.

hrmm.. with the bad thelogy, i'm not so sure where you have seen that part, please do tell me maybe I made a mistake or have missed a point that you would like to discuss. The donominational differences... well that's always a BIG question anyway. we are separated by denominational religion and whether or not we call ourselves, baptist, jewish, orthodox, non-denominational, catholic, prysbeterian, protestant, methodist... etc... we are all bound and united by one thing.. and one thing alone. The personal relationship we have with the Lord Jesus Christ. Having Him as our Lord and Saviour.
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Anyway, holyrokker, I hope "exegeting" (blowing into a big proportion) the song made a difference of understanding perspectives for all of us. I mean I'm not really sure who wrote the song since so many versions of it were done but I'm sure whoever wrote the song was inspired by God. Perhaps this song pertains to an event that happened to his/her life that made him/her reflect on how God's love is abounding and amazing. Hope it really helps.

comments and suggestions, something to add, agree or disagree... I based the main idea from the Bible (to be on the safe side) please feel free to do so.
thank you for your time hollyrokker, and as said... it's all about what's inside your heart... that's what God looks at when you come before His throne of worship.

in Christ,
Jo:clap:
 
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Oh, I feel like dancing
It's foolishness I know
But when the world has seen the light
They will dance with joy
like we're dancing now.

This is the part I have the biggest problem with.

Can I really dance while singing this song? I've never seen anyone dancing while singing it.

The last 3 lines say that all the world needs to do is see the light, and they will dance with joy, yet that's simply not true. Many reject the light in spite of seeing it.

Romans 1:21 "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened."

John 1:10-11 "He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him."

John 1:19 "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil."
 
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Well said!

good post blu, in fact not sure i have anything that I could add on this topic at the moment, but will post up later if i do come up with anyway.

By the way, the song , I could Sing of Your Love Forever, was written by Martin Smith in 1994 .

:)

god bless

sep xx
 
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Holyrokker, i think you need to be thinking bigger and wider than your mind is allowing you to at the moment.

You seem to have a pretty closed idea of what the song means to you and then as far as you are concerned, it must mean that for everyone.

The song is alot wider and opener than your allowing for ... it has a vision that maybe you dont see!

sep :) xx
 
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Blu .. I do so appreciate your bringing scripture to help define what the chorus is speaking about. It does make things more clearer. But at the same time, Holyrokker, you do have a point .. there is a definite contrast .. the whole world won't see the light - your scripture also points that out. So I can understand your being unsettled with the song.

Christians will always have a hope that the world will come to know Jesus, in spite of what the scriptures tell us. It's natural to not want anyone to be left behind. So, some Christian writers use that hope in their lyrics. As far as dancing for joy, I don't believe it had anything to do with the rhythym of the song, but moreso, the joy that Christ gives in our hearts that make us feel like dancing.

I believe (imho) the writer was using this song to reach the unbeliever .. to share what the joy of Christ can do within us. But I can definitely see where you were coming from, hr.

God bless.
 
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I have always wondered about the bridge also and so usually we drop the bridge of the song altogether. The song is slow with good melody, but isn't one that anyone dances to. I guess I get the idea behind the bridge.

Oh, I feel like dancing
It's foolishness I know
But when the world has seen the light
They will dance with joy
like we're dancing now.


They will dance with joy like we're dancing now..but the fact that no one is dancing during that song.

When the world has seen the light. Light disperses darkness.
Darkness = no light
Know Light = no darkness.

I had a bigger problem with the song "I've Found Jesus." That song wasn't theologically correct at all. We used to joke. Oh, there he is in the plant, I found him. No, he found and chose us.
 
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Barrenlimb said:
I had a bigger problem with the song "I've Found Jesus." That song wasn't theologically correct at all. We used to joke. Oh, there he is in the plant, I found him. No, he found and chose us.

I don't know that song to well but can't you find Jesus in a plant? It's quite amazing his creation.
 
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I don't know that song to well but can't you find Jesus in a plant? It's quite amazing his creation.

The point is that you don't find Jesus. He finds us and brings us out of darkness. Our own depravity makes us unable to find righteousness on our own. God must draw us to him and thus he finds us and chooses us rather than us finding him. I guess to a blind person seeing light for the first time might "find light", but really light was always there.

Anyhow. Yes you can see God's awesome handiwork in creation and reflect upon his awesomeness. I wouldn't consider that finding Jesus though.
 
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hi lovesong.. i agree.. ur right..and well.. i do understand holyrokker too.. that's why it's just better to exegete a song or something because it can open us into different perspectives... instead of just one. And ur right holyrokker... not everyone will embrace the light just as what it said in John. well said.

barrenlimb, do u mind sharing us the lyrics and who sang the song... im not familiar with it neither.. lol.. maybe i can listen to it. lol thanks a lot.

God bless everyone

In Christ,
Jo
 
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To all those who say they have never heard the song, or that they havent seen anyone dancing to it....I suggest you listen to the version done by "Delirious".....its a REALLY good version that you can get right into, and they have no problem with dancing along to it :) (You can watch them perform it on their Hillsong/Delirious "UP" DVD)


Personally, whenever I come across a song that I dislike or that I cannot get into, I simply use that time to pray and talk to God. There will always be certain songs that you dislike, even if you feel like you are the only one.
 
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