When I try to establish the Bible's inerrancy as the infallible word of God, and when I try to establish creation, I get the response from non-believers that this is ignorant.
What is my next step?
What is my next step?
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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I would ask them why they would think that. More than likely, their knowledge of the Bible is limited, and many people will make broad statements like that because they don't know.
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i agree with dede, i would listen to what they have to say....many times (not all of the time though) they will start talking and not know what they're talking about. ask questions, be willing to listen mostly though, that speaks volumes to them. ask the kind of questions that dont particularly point out errors in their reasoning but more like draw them out. lead the conversation to where they start to see their own falacies. theres still a lot more to be done but in this particular situation this is what i would suggest.
PLEASE REMEMBER!!!!! this is not a contest to see who is right, once you start to turn it into one pride gets in the way and everything goes south from there. you're not trying to prove how much you know or how much more holy you are than them, just love the person for who they are and show compassion for them (read luke 10:25-37). love them, remember in 1st john (i believe) it says 'god is love' therefore we know that where love is the spirit of the lord is also.
PLEASE REMEMBER!!!!! this is not a contest to see who is right, once you start to turn it into one pride gets in the way and everything goes south from there. you're not trying to prove how much you know or how much more holy you are than them, just love the person for who they are and show compassion for them (read luke 10:25-37). love them, remember in 1st john (i believe) it says 'god is love' therefore we know that where love is the spirit of the lord is also.
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You folks don't give the unsaved much credit for thinking on their own.
you need to make an emotional sale, to touch inside.
Unless you're trying for children don't start with what they will consider to be myth.
In particular adults aren't going to be impressed by Creation stories unless, possibly, they were raised on it as kids and fell away...
and aiming for what you consider to be their unsaved errors is just more of the same.
Give the unsaved person a reason to want what you have.
If you can't show them something just by being...
Well then there isn't much for you to say.
No matter how well you know the bible you are unlikely to make a positive impression on an alert sinner by making inerrancy arguments.
You may suceed with someone crawling in desperation but that isn't how most sinners see themselves.
there are a lot of folks out there who see with their own eyes what they consider to be errors in the bible and Christianity in general.
when you walk away from a person you argued with and they are still standing with their beliefs, you lost.
You may say you planted a seed or the word doesnt return void but the real truth is they were made stronger.
Like the bull who fights a matador he learns.
The next Christian may get gored when they try.
you need to make an emotional sale, to touch inside.
Unless you're trying for children don't start with what they will consider to be myth.
In particular adults aren't going to be impressed by Creation stories unless, possibly, they were raised on it as kids and fell away...
and aiming for what you consider to be their unsaved errors is just more of the same.
Give the unsaved person a reason to want what you have.
If you can't show them something just by being...
Well then there isn't much for you to say.
No matter how well you know the bible you are unlikely to make a positive impression on an alert sinner by making inerrancy arguments.
You may suceed with someone crawling in desperation but that isn't how most sinners see themselves.
there are a lot of folks out there who see with their own eyes what they consider to be errors in the bible and Christianity in general.
when you walk away from a person you argued with and they are still standing with their beliefs, you lost.
You may say you planted a seed or the word doesnt return void but the real truth is they were made stronger.
Like the bull who fights a matador he learns.
The next Christian may get gored when they try.
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Lou Scannon said:
Lou, while I agree with your assertion that our actions are our strongest witness (at least that's how I read it), I don't agree that we lose if we don't convert an unbeliever when we witness to them. I know from personal experience that the seed is planted, and can eventually grow to fruition. I wish that I could go back and thank all of those folks that witnessed to me when I was lost.
While I didn't stone them, or feed them to lions, I persecuted them in my own way at the time. I'm glad that they didn't feel that this was a losing proposition. Or look at it another way, God sent that person to you to hear the Word. How can we lose if we then witness?I also feel that many of unbelievers know the Bible and theology better than we do. Be prepared for this. Study your Bible as much as possible. Join in on these forums and discuss things that you have questions about. And don't be afraid to say "I don't know but I'll look it up".
If you get stuck, tell what Jesus has done for you -- over and over. Never, never, never be afraid or hesitate to witness. God sent that person to you for a reason.
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