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What do you believe in?

Do you believe in free will or predestination? (Baptists only)

  • Free will

  • Predestination

  • Neither

  • Undecided


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DeaconDean

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Proverbs 16:9 + 20:24 says it's the path too

From a commentary:


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I don't see where this is talking about the natural "unsaved" man/woman...Hum...

Oh well, to each his own.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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So then, God not only set the goal, but He also set the path.

Here again, if the path is set, then Catholicism is correct in that man cannot act in any other fashion that that which God has set, thus making man no more than robots.

And here again, read the passages in which the Greek word "προγινώσκω,v \{prog-in-oce'-ko}" is used:
  1. Romans 8:29
    For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
    Romans 8:28-30 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Romans 8:30
    Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
    Romans 8:29-31 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter)
  3. Ephesians 1:5
    Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
    Ephesians 1:4-6 (in Context) Ephesians 1 (Whole Chapter)
  4. Ephesians 1:11
    In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
    Ephesians 1:10-12 (in Context) Ephesians 1 (Whole Chapter)
In each case, the goal is set, not the path.

Rom. 8:29: "to be conformed to the image of his Son"

Rom. 8:30: "he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified".

Eph.1:5: "unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself"

Eph. 1:11: "an inheritance"

In each case, the goal is set, not the path.

Jesus' goal was also set:

"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you" -1 Pet. 1:20 (KJV)

The path to salvation is never the same, but the goal is.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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From a commentary:



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Ibid

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I don't see where this is talking about the natural "unsaved" man/woman...Hum...

Oh well, to each his own.

God Bless

Till all are one.

I didnt read all the commentary...and I also don't have to in order to conclude that the verses also don't limit themselves to only the saved either. :/
 
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DeaconDean

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I didnt read all the commentary...and I also don't have to in order to conclude that the verses also don't limit themselves to only the saved either. :/



Robbie said:

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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What I dont understand is why Jesus warns people over and over again about going to Hell and to do everything to avoid it if everything is already pre planned for each individual?

I mean why warn people about Hell who he knows are going there anyway? And why warn people about the unpardonable sin if everyone is already on a set path determined by God?
 
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The path doesn't remove the necessity of these things. Being warned about Hell could be the thing God chooses to use to begin the process of salvation in someone.

Like with the play analogy I used earlier. If we already know the ending, why don't we skip all the content and go straight to the climax? We could, but it would be rather boring that way, wouldn't it?
 
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Thank you for your answer, im having a hard time with some things and would love to fully embrace the doctrine of calvinism but there are still some things that to me just dont make any sense. Sometimes I wonder if both arminians and calvinist go to far with their doctrines.
 
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Honestly, I don't know if I'd call myself a Calvanist. Didn't they say that the only way you could know if you're one of the elect was if God made you rich, or was that another group?

Anyway, I just believe what I percieve the Bible teaching.
 
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Honestly, I don't know if I'd call myself a Calvanist. Didn't they say that the only way you could know if you're one of the elect was if God made you rich, or was that another group?

Anyway, I just believe what I percieve the Bible teaching.


Are you saved? and if so what did you do to be saved?
 
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Are you saved? and if so what did you do to be saved?

I didn't do anything. It was God who did it.

I was raised in a Christian home, always fascinated with God and asking questions. But I'm not sure if I can pinpoint a certain point in time when God saved me. I think it was more of a process than a single event.

As I've said earlier, I believe in the Bible, that Jesus Christ died for my sins. And I have been baptized twice. Once it was in a Lutheran church, where they sprinkled me with water. The second was at a Baptist church, which was insistent on full submersion when Baptized.

I've also seen the Holy Spirit move in me to do things I couldn't do myself.
 
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Wonderful and thanks for sharing! I used to think that if you couldnt pin point the exact moment and time that you were saved then you must not have ever been saved but my mind is now changing on that because of some testimonies such as your own that I have been hearing about.

I think John Piper and John McCarther both share a similar testimony in which neither one can tell you exactly when they were saved but as you can see by their fruits obviously they are saved.
 
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If God made a person specifically to fail, and that person failed, were they not successful?
If God made a person specifically to fail, and they succeeded, were they not a failure?
Thus, the problem with "God is really the one pulling the strings around here."
 
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Are you a Christian?
 
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