What do these Scriptures mean to you?

[PopeSaintMatthew]

John 14:13
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Matt 17L20
Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Mark 16:18
they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these



Also...in what way have you seen these scriptures fullfilled in your life?

 

[pshun2404]

John 14:13
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

This was being spoken to the 12 so the church could be established.

Matt 17L20
Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

He was speaking figuratively but to some extent this is still true to this day. Many things and circumstances that have occurred and developed in my life (and my wife’s) have proven to us that when you actually truly place your trust (faith) in God all things work together for your good and all circumstances work out. If this was meant to be literal then one would have said “Caesar be moved to China” and it would have been so….but in truth no task, or ordeal, or hope is so deferred that if one really opens their heart and mind cannot see God involved to some degree (and I did not say responsible I said involved).

Mark 16:18
“they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

This is a totally bad translation and has thus been mis-applied in so many ways…snakes and scorpions are type of people (one whose poison is in their mouth and the other hides the sting of their venom in the aftermath thus the tail)...and who has never prayed laying on hands who has not seen the sick recover?....Not meant to be an instant miracle...

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these….

What was the work of God in Christ? It was to bring people to belief, repentance, and to deliver them from bondage….in other words to bring them to salvation. Many, many, more have come since He ascended then when He was here. But in the sense you are trying to bring out consider this….

Jesus took five loaves and two fish and fed 5000 (on another occasion 3000 also from their lack)…today because of Mary and Joes offerings in church and Jake and Iesha’s tithes and because of the charitably changed hearts of Christians all over, daily we literally feed millions….we house homeless, we clothe naked, we heal the sick….we brought about the value of educating all, equality of women and children, anti-slavery….and much much more….

 

[Archie the Preacher]

The chapter and verse divisions were added to the Bible (both New and Old) long after the texts were written. Because of that, the divisions can be arbitrary or at least not always in accordance with the author's intent.

Therefore, when one reads 'one verse', the possibility exists for reading only a snippet of the full idea being conveyed. Which is why reading every 'verse' in context along with the previous and following verses can often shed much light on the single verse in question.

For instance:
John 14:12
I tell you the solemn truth, the person who believes in me will perform 27 the miraculous deeds that I am doing, and will perform greater deeds than these, because I am going to the Father. 14:13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14:14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Jesus is discussing His own miracles and marvels. Jesus makes the conditional statement "...so the Father may be glorified in the Son" as part of this discourse. Consequently, the single statement in verse 13 is not a carte blanche offer, but is attached to serving God and glorifying God.

It has no relation to winning the lottery or having a really neat girlfriend.

Matthew 17:20
Read Matthew 17:14-20 to find Jesus was just involved in healing a young man with 'seizures'. The disciples could not heal the young man without Jesus in attendance. Jesus answers their question “Why couldn’t we cast it out?” (verse 19) in the verse you post. It is a bit of hyperbole, perhaps, but over all the power to accomplish 'miracles' is linked to doing God's will. As I think of it, "Line of Duty".

Mark 16:18
Read the whole discussion for context. It begins in verse 12 and continues to the end of the chapter. Again, in context, Jesus is promising miracles and wonders to the disciples who went out and preached as directed. Later, we see this in the case of Paul - who claimed the title of apostle without argument from others. But once again, it is a line of duty promise of assistance, not a carte blanche permission to do stupid things and get away with it.

John 14:12 has been covered.

 

[BlueLioness]

What Bible version are you using? My church is KJV-Onlyist and they only use the KJV because the newer versions of the Bible all have translation errors in them. Some versions have even omitted whole verses that are in the originals. It's like the Devil tampered with them or something.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

I'm presuming the question is directed at me.

What Bible version are you using?

The New English Translation (NET) Bible.

My church is KJV-Onlyist ...

The KJV uses English that is 400 years out of date. Consequently, any errors of doctrine in the church-group (not building or body of Christ) are more readily concealed.

I do not mean to offend you, Lioness, but the KJV only movement is extremely suspect. I've read too much of their own 'explanations' to give the concept much credit.

... they only use the KJV because the newer versions of the Bible all have translation errors in them. Some versions have even omitted whole verses that are in the originals.

The 'newer' versions which have major doctrinal errors are pretty well known. The "New World" translation is one such.

As for 'errors', there are variations in the words selected. Not all scholars agree on the specific words chosen in all cases, but few scholars disagree on the meaning and intent of the passage. Except of course for the KJV only proponents who claim the KJV is more correct than the original manuscripts. (Huh?)

As for 'omissions', there is equal reason to argue the KJV 'added' some verses which are not in the original text. Again, the meaning is not changed.

It's like the Devil tampered with them or something.

Yes, the Devil has 'tampered' with 'them' (the KJV onlyists.)

Now, relax. The KJV is a pretty good translation over all. If that's the one with which you are most familiar or comfortable, go ahead and use it. Just remember two things: One, the English is pretty much the same as the English used in Shakespeare's plays. (So reading Shakespeare is good familiarization for the King James. For that matter, Shakespeare is pretty good reading for general knowledge of humanity.) The words (not the Word) do not always mean the same thing. Two, modern translations are not corrupted or mistranslated simply because they differ in language or word choice from the King James.


If I may suggest, go to the website (NET.BIBLE.ORG) and read the section on who translated the NET Bible, who funded the work and why it was done. Then read a couple passages from the Bible and examine the text notes. (Which are easy to find.) Pray about it and see if God tells you if anything is amiss. See if you find any errors which would condemn the work.

Tell the people of your church group if you wish, but be prepared for a negative response. You may also expect some KJV onlyists on this website to come and make silly comments, as well.

 

[RandyWindborne]

John 14:13
And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Matt 17L20
Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Mark 16:18
they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these.

To me, these and many other similar scriptures mean we generally prefer to reason away God's promises rather than trust him.

I mean, really, why heal someone when it's so much safer to offer sympathy and poweress prayer?

 

[Archie the Preacher]

To me, these and many other similar scriptures mean we generally prefer to reason away God's promises rather than trust him.

This statement sound like you're proposing that these statements, taken out of context, are proof that God functions like a genie in a bottle granting wishes.

Or am I reading this wrong? If you please...

I mean, really, why heal someone when it's so much safer to offer sympathy and poweress prayer?

I'll presume you meant 'powerless' prayer. This statement sounds like you believe it possible to instantly heal any person of any ailment by prayer. Could you expand a bit on this?

 

[jacobs well]

with Mark 16:18 - signs and miracles call attention to God's work of preaching the Gospel.
Jesus' prophetic words shows us that His disciples would be empowered to perform true miracles and included protection from harm. The New Testament is proof of that and evidence is found in scripture.
These miracles are in context of preaching the gospel.
Mark 16:18 is literally fulfilled throughout the NT.