What do make of John 5:18

[Ted-01]

So you really think John thought Jesus was a sinner and agreed with the Pharisees over what Jesus said? John 15:10 John 8:46-47 Nah, he was writing an account of what happened.

No, I do not think that John thought Jesus was a sinner.
No, I don't think that John agreed with the Pharisees... over anything.

John did say that Jesus was breaking the Sabbath and made Himself equal with God.
Do I fully understand it? No. But I understand enough not to argue over it.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

I agree, but many take this as because Jesus fulfilled the law that we don't have to, but that's not what Jesus taught. He taught not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 and showed us the Way John 15:10, by example Heb 4:15 1 Peter 2:21-22 for us to follow in His footsteps 1 John 2:6

Yes, just because we are saved, we are not free to sin, we belong to Christ we ought to obey Him. However, it is impossible for us to keep all of God's commandments, thus He sent the one who can.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, I do not think that John thought Jesus was a sinner.
No, I don't think that John agreed with the Pharisees... over anything.

John did say that Jesus was breaking the Sabbath and made Himself equal with God.
Do I fully understand it? No. But I understand enough not to argue over it.

It wasn't John, he was just giving an account of what happened

John 5:8 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

It was what the Jews accused Him of, not that John believed the Pharisees over Jesus.

John 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

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[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, just because we are saved, we are not free to sin, we belong to Christ we ought to obey Him. However, it is impossible for us to keep all of God's commandments, thus He sent the one who can.

Well I disagree. Basically this teaching is that the devil has more power to keep us in sin than Jesus does to keep us from sin.

While no one can keep God's commandments on their own strength, we can through Jesus Christ. He would not give us commandments to keep, without giving us the power to keep them. We are saved from sin Mat 1:21, not saved in sin Heb 10:26-30

Scriptures shows God has people who overcome

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

It's not to say if we slip and fall we can't take our sins to the feet of Jesus who when we confess, He cleanses us from all sin and unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 but we not only need to confess, we need to forsake our sins Pro 28:13 but we should not be living in perpetual sin and through His power we can overcome Phil 4:13, just as Jesus did Heb 4:15

 

[Ted-01]

It wasn't John, he was just giving an account of what happened

John 5:8 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

It was what the Jews accused Him of, not the John believed the Pharisees over Jesus.

John 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

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I'm sorry, I don't wish to offend... but John did not say in that portion of Scripture that the pharisees were seeking to kill Him because they thought that He was breaking the Sabath.
John said that they sought to kill him because He was breaking the Sabbath. Right?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm sorry, I don't wish to offend... but John did not say in that portion of Scripture that the pharisees were seeking to kill Him because they thought that He was breaking the Sabath.
John said that they sought to kill him because He was breaking the Sabbath. Right?

Based on the account of what happened, read the whole passage in context which is why John said the Jews sought to keep Him because (based on what they believed) He broke the Sabbath, not based on what John believed. He was just recording what happened, its up to us to reconcile all of the scriptures.

Sorry if you think John thought Jesus sided with the Jews and thought Jesus sinned and broke the Sabbath but then contradicts himself a little later when he records the words of Jesus of what He was being convicted of was not true John 8:46-47 and He kept all of the commandments John 15:10

If Jesus sinned just a little, He could not be our Savior. Its what the Jews believed and crucified Jesus for. I believe the words John recorded of Jesus, that what He was being accused of was not true. We have free will to beleive what we want.

 

[Ted-01]

Based on the account of what happened, read the whole passage in context.

Sorry if you think John thought Jesus sided with the Jews and thought Jesus sinned and broke the Sabbath but then contradicts himself a little later when he records the words of Jesus of what He was being convicted of was not true John 8:46-47 and He kept all of the commandments John 15:10

If Jesus sinned just a little, He could not be our Savior. Its what the Jews believed and crucified Jesus for. I believe the words John recorded of Jesus, that what He was being accused of was not true. We have free will to beleive what we want.

I do agree that context is important... almost always... and context for this portion of Scripture is important too. However, context won't change what John actually said into something that you think he meant.

You are reaccusing of believing something that I just told you that I don't believe (cf. post #21). Why would you do that? I forgive you, nevertheless.

I never said that Jesus broke any commandment. But John said;
"...the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

I answered earlier in the thread what I believe in regard to this seeming conundrum... you disagreed.
Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I do agree that context is important... almost always... and context for this portion of Scripture is important too. However, context won't change what John actually said into something that you think he meant.

You are reaccusing of believing something that I just told you that I don't believe (cf. post #21). Why would you do that? I forgive you, nevertheless.

I never said that Jesus broke any commandment. But John said;
"...the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

I answered earlier in the thread what I believe in regard to this seeming conundrum... you disagreed.
Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I never said you said that Jesus broke the Sabbath, it appears you believe John thinks that, but then later contradicts himself when he quotes Jesus saying in His own words that He did not sin and was being falsely accused. John 8:46 There is no gray area, either Jesus broke the Sabbath and sinned and lied when He said He kept the commandments John 15:10 and is therefore not our Savior or John was giving an account of what the Jews believed which is why he said they sought to kill Him based on their beliefs of what Jesus did and why they crucified Him. Jesus did not break the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments, He broke the sabbath of the Pharisees who turned God's holy Sabbath that is a blessing and delight into full of rule-keeping adding rules that God never did to His Sabbath.


We can leave it as agree to disagree. I do wish you well.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Well I disagree. Basically this teaching is that the devil has more power to keep us in sin than Jesus does to keep us from sin.

Ofc the devil has not more power to keep us in sin, than God keep us from sin. When a person comes to Christ, we cannot expect them to have a full blown mature repentance. When a person is saved, they grow in repentance, they hate sin more and more and sin less, but they are not perfect in repentance because we still live in sinful bodies. None of us has perfect repentance, we are all growing in it. Same with faith. We do not have the faith to match the faith in the Bible.

Many Christians today struggle because they believe they have to have the perfect manifestation of faith and repentance to be saved, but it's not true. We grow in these things.

As John says 'f we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.' And John is talking about us, Christians. Paul himself wasn't perfect as we read in Romans 8. Neither was Abraham, the father of faith. How many times he sinned, but he grew in faith and we see that manifest when God asked him to sacrifice Isaac.

Scriptures shows God has people who overcome

Yes, but rely on God to overcome. We are too weak to overcome on our own.

Even when we are saved, sin is still deadly and has horrible consequences, and we will have to give an account of our Christian life to God. I am very aware of that and the dangers of sin.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

No. Jesus perfectly fulfilled the law, however the pharisees twisted the law and sabbath in such way, they made sabbath something God never intended to be. So in pharisees eyes He broke the sabbath, but actually He never did.

For example, the pharisees added to sabbath that on sabbath if you only allowed to walk certain number of steps, otherwise you brake sabbath, however God never commanded that.
In John 9, when Jesus healed the blind man, He spat on the ground and made mud, which according to pharisees, making mud on sabbath is a sin.

You see where I am going with this. God made the sabbath for our own good, one day a week where we do no work so we spend the whole day with God, but man made sabbath a heavy burden that no one could carry, and Jesus pointed out the hypocrisy of the pharisees.

John 5:18 says "not only did he break the sabbath ..." so was saint John giving his commentary on what he thought about the event or was saint John telling us what the Jews thought about Jesus and were the Jews wrong about breaking the sabbath? If they were wrong about the sabbath were they wrong about "making himself equal with God"?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ofc the devil has not more power to keep us in sin, than God keep us from sin. When a person comes to Christ, we cannot expect them to have a full blown mature repentance.

When a person first comes to Christ they may not be able to see all of their sin, but someone who is in Christ would ask God to reveal it so we can overcome. When Jesus healed He never said go and sin a little less, He said and go and sin no more, so if it were not possible, He would not tell one to do so.

When a person is saved, they grow in repentance, they hate sin more and more and sin less, but they are not perfect in repentance because we still live in sinful bodies. None of us has perfect repentance, we are all growing in it. Same with faith. We do not have the faith to match the faith in the Bible.

I’m not a fan of saying when someone is “saved” more when they dedicate themselves to Christ is more accurate. One because we do not judge ourselves, we all have to stand before Jesus 2 Cor 5:10 and Jesus in His own Words says many on that Great Day will say Lord Lord (believers) but Jesus says to them depart from Me Mat 7:21-23. Also too many people think because they are “saved” they don’t really have to live Christian’s lives so, to me, its better to let Jesus do the judging and we can all hope for salvation Rom 8:24 but no one really knows until we stand before Jesus come Judgement Day.

That said, I am not familiar with imperfect repentance. If you bring your sins to Jesus He will cleanse us from all sin and unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9. The problem with today is so many won’t allow the Bible to define sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Rom 7:7, they depend on their own righteousness instead of God’s Psa 119:172 and all that it is doing is hurting one in the long run because we need to confess and forsake our sins Pro 28:13. Thats why God’s law is so important. So we can see our sins 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12, just a mirror. Rom 3:20 James 1:22-24 and it will bring us to Christ Psa 19:7 Gal 3:24 until faith. Once we have faith it establishes the law Rom 3:31 and once in Christ He enables us to obey the law John 14:15-18

Many Christians today struggle because they believe they have to have the perfect manifestation of faith and repentance to be saved, but it's not true. We grow in these things.

Do you have scripture references?

As John says 'f we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.' And John is talking about us, Christians

Everyone has sinned, it doesn‘t mean that everyone needs to keep sinning. We should not let sin sin reign over us. While it’s not easy through Jesus we can overcome. He would not give us commandments without giving us the power to overcome.

. Paul himself wasn't perfect as we read in Romans 8. Neither was Abraham, the father of faith. How many times he sinned, but he grew in faith and we see that manifest when God asked him to sacrifice Isaac.

Yes, everyone has sinned and fallen short of God’s Glory, but if we see sin in our life, we should not be comfortable living in it and should immediately repent and ask Jesus to overcome. The Bible is filled with ways to overcome temptation. The problem most people do not want to come to the light and repent and ask for His help in overcoming, they are comfortable in their sins and thats a dangerous place to be.

Yes, but rely on God to overcome. We are too weak to overcome on our own.

Of course, there is nothing we can do on our own. But if we are weak in faith, get on our knees and ask Jesus to give us more faith and love to Him. I pray this prayer often.

Even when we are saved, sin is still deadly and has horrible consequences, and we will have to give an account of our Christian life to God. I am very aware of that and the dangers of sin.

We are not saved in sin Heb 10:26 we are saved from sin Mat 1:21 and through Christ all things are possible Phil 4:13 God has more power to keep from sin, than the devil does to keep us in sin. It’s a matter of who we yield ourselves servants to obey Rom 6:16

 

[Grip Docility]

I do agree that context is important... almost always... and context for this portion of Scripture is important too. However, context won't change what John actually said into something that you think he meant.

You are reaccusing of believing something that I just told you that I don't believe (cf. post #21). Why would you do that? I forgive you, nevertheless.

I never said that Jesus broke any commandment. But John said;
"...the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

I answered earlier in the thread what I believe in regard to this seeming conundrum... you disagreed.
Let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I’ll just say it..... This one is a very intricate passage that is amazing.

John 5

After this, a Jewish festival took place, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2 By the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem there is a pool, called Bethesda in Hebrew, which has five colonnades.

The ACTUAL "NARROW WAY", aka the LIVING SHEEP GATE is near a pool that means ... (You're going to love this...) “house of mercy” or “house of grace.” In Hebrew ​

But, in the Language that Jesus spoke, Aramaic, it could also mean “shame” or “disgrace.”​

3 Within these lay a large number of the sick—blind, lame, and paralyzed [—waiting for the moving of the water, 4 because an angel would go down into the pool from time to time and stir up the water. Then the first one who got in after the water was stirred up recovered from whatever ailment he had].

Only.... One person out of "A Large Number" would be made well by "the water".​

Check this out... Acts 7:53 "you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it"​

Galatians 3:19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.​

5 One man was there who had been sick for 38 years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and knew he had already been there a long time, He said to him, “Do you want to get well?”

So some Guy is by a "Hebrew Pool" that requires a ton of work to get into first by a bunch of people that have trouble getting into the pool... and THE ONLY WAY INTO THE SHEEP FOLD speaks in Aramaic... "Do you want to get well?" ​

7 “Sir,” the sick man answered, “I don’t have a man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, but while I’m coming, someone goes down ahead of me.”

So, this sick guy REALLY NEEDS A "GUY" to dunk him.. but... a bunch of hard working selfish types, ignore that the guy is in need of being helped "TO THE LIVING WATER"... and they go to the water for themselves, only.​

8 “Get up,” Jesus told him, “pick up your mat and walk!” 9 Instantly the man got well, picked up his mat, and started to walk.

Dollars to donuts that "Picking up the mat was breaking the Sabbath, too" What happens? The Guy unknowingly "Walks through the TRUE SHEEP GATE" and is FULLY HEALED.​

Now that day was the Sabbath, 10 so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, “This is the Sabbath! It’s illegal for you to pick up your mat.”

Hmmm... a bunch of bright scholars of Torah point out to this lowly "man" from the Jewish Ghetto of Nazareth and the NEWLY HEALED MAN that it is indeed ILLEGAL for the mat to be picked up.​

11 He replied, “The man who made me well told me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’”

Hmmmmmm... Isaiah 1:13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations— I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.​

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Hmmmm... Matthew 12:6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”​

12 “Who is this man who told you, ‘Pick up your mat and walk’?” they asked. 13 But the man who was cured did not know who it was, because Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there.

Jesus indeed "Broke the Law" and told someone to "Break the Law"... (But there's a technicality... forgedabout a Jewish Lawyer here.... Forgedabout a Jewish Legislator here....) We are looking at this "GUY" Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.​

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So can SIN be Charged to God, the very GOD OF THE SABBATH for LOVING ALL PEOPLE and Healing People on a day that HE MEANT to be a relief, instead of a BURDEN? That's a HARD NO! Jesus remained the spotless Lamb, while the Teachers of the LAW ignored the HIGHEST COMMANDMENT which OVERTHROWS all other commands!​

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John 8:4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”​

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6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.​

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When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”​

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Was the NEW LAW that Jesus gave a NEW LAW? Nope. It is HIS OLDEST LAW. Did Jesus sin by not Stoning the woman who was clearly pulled steaming hot guilty of Adultery from the bed and thrown at his feet? They had the 3 witnesses to condemn her, I assure you! They thought they had Jesus entrapped. But, what happened? The same finger that carved the 10, wrote a higher law into the earth with HIS human finger.​

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So what now? Is there a New covenant that is to come that will be completely incompatible with the old one? YUP. Who understood the LAW more than any other? GOD. God didn't BREAK the LAW, but actually EXALTED the LAW of LOVE, TRUE JUSTICE AND MERCY.​

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Mark 2:27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.​

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And just to show what HE was actually telling the TEACHERS OF THE LAW, one more time; "If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” You would almost think that there is a FAR HIGHER LAW than the Stone Law..... Like a Golden rule or something.​

14 After this, Jesus found him in the temple complex and said to him, “See, you are well. Do not sin anymore, so that something worse doesn’t happen to you.” 15 The man went and reported to the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.

- Hmmmmmmmm...... Do not sin... sin? sin? THE SIN OF THE WORLD IS UNBELIEF.

Honoring the Father and the Son​

16 Therefore, the Jews began persecuting Jesus because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus responded to them, “My Father is still working, and I am working also.”

So... The Jews totally ignore that Jesus placed the GOLDEN RULE above the Stone Law to heal a man... and Jesus reveals the ultimate secret to HIS LOOP HOLE.

If God, who was standing there in the flesh... FULLNESS of THE GODHEAD and ALL..... stopped working for one nano-second to provide and SUSTAIN THE VERY LIFE THAT is the LIGHT WITHIN ALL OF CREATION... The ticked off Jews would drop dead, along with all of the universe and everything in all of existence. Does God take Saturday's off? NOPE! He's answering prayers, providing EVERYTHING that man takes for granted... Libertarian Sovereign Agency and all! The last Saturday that God took off was a LONGGGGGG time before that day.​

Oh Goodness.. adding for protection purposes... Sustain is not MICROMANAGE!​

18 This is why the Jews began trying all the more to kill Him: Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

So lets recap... God, who hasn't had a Sabbath off since he rested on the Seventh day of Creation is getting accused of Breaking the Day that HE CREATED because he made a Lame man Walk.​

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Allow me to put this more specific. The New Covenant is being Prophesied by Jesus, there and then... and the Teachers of the Law were too BLIND to see that GOD is right in front of them.​

2 Corinthians 3:15-17 But unto this day, whensoever Moses is read, a veil lieth upon their heart. But whensoever it shall turn to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.​

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You would almost think that SOMEONE higher than MOSES was standing before mankind. Hebrews 4 sure does seem like a good place to read at this point.​

Spoiler

19 Then Jesus replied, “I assure you: The Son is not able to do anything on His own, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does these things in the same way. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows Him everything He is doing, and He will show Him greater works than these so that you will be amazed. 21 And just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to anyone He wants to. 22 The Father, in fact, judges no one but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 so that all people will honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Life and Judgment​

24 “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.

25 “I assure you: An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself. 27 And He has granted Him the right to pass judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not be amazed at this, because a time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come out—those who have done good things, to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked things, to the resurrection of judgment.

30 “I can do nothing on My own. I judge only as I hear, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

Four Witnesses to Jesus​

31 “If I testify about Myself, My testimony is not valid. 32 There is Another who testifies about Me, and I know that the testimony He gives about Me is valid. 33 You have sent messengers to John, and he has testified to the truth. 34 I don’t receive man’s testimony, but I say these things so that you may be saved. 35 John was a burning and shining lamp, and for a time you were willing to enjoy his light.

36 “But I have a greater testimony than John’s because of the works that the Father has given Me to accomplish. These very works I am doing testify about Me that the Father has sent Me. 37 The Father who sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You have not heard His voice at any time, and you haven’t seen His form. 38 You don’t have His word living in you, because you don’t believe the One He sent.

39 You pore over the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, yet they testify about Me. 40 And you are not willing to come to Me so that you may have life.

41 “I do not accept glory from men, 42 but I know you—that you have no love for God within you. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, yet you don’t accept Me. If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe? While accepting glory from one another, you don’t seek the glory that comes from the only God. 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. 47 But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

AND... That's the BOOM! The Stone obedience can't save. ONLY JESUS can SAVE. Hebrews 4 is sure looking awful important here! A man that exalts Moses, not realizing that JESUS and LOVE THY NEIGHBOR are the HIGHEST LAW.... EVEN within MOSES.... is going to be in for a shock.​

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Deuteronomy 18:17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. <- And look... Right there, smack dab within Deuteronomy.

One more thing.... Did you notice that Jesus told the Healed Lame man AND the Forgiven Adulterous to go and sin (UNBELIEVE) no more?

 

[Clare73]

It sad to think Jesus is so cruel He would leave an animal in a ditch

Rescue of animals was allowed on the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Rescue of animals was allowed on the Sabbath.

Of course. I never said otherwise, I said the Pharisees said it was a violation of the Sabbath, not Jesus. Jesus is not cruel and leaving an animal to suffer would be cruel. Sad teaching of the Pharisees, that sadly many adopt similar beliefs.

 

[Clare73]

Of course. I never said otherwise, I said the Pharisees said it was a violation of the Sabbath, not Jesus.

Where do you find that?

Jesus is not cruel and leaving an animal to suffer would be cruel. Sad teaching of the Pharisees, that sadly many adopt similar beliefs.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Where do you find that?

You're right Jesus was using that as an illustration of why it wasn't a sin to heal people on the Sabbath to the Pharisees as if an animal was greater than a human, not that He was teaching it was okay to leave an ox in a ditch on the Sabbath.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

That's not how it's written in my Bible... j/s.

You do not see because you do not take the preceding texts of john 5:18 that put's you in the proper context;
Jhn 5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?

Jhn 5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in thatplace.

Jhn 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Jhn 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.

Jhn 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

Jhn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

from these preceding verses, we see that Jesus was healing on the sabbath. the pharisees being hypocrites considered healing, this act of love and mercy as a sin on the sabbath. It is obviously not a sin, the context is most important for proper understanding.

Jhn 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Well I disagree. Basically this teaching is that the devil has more power to keep us in sin than Jesus does to keep us from sin.

but where is that false doctrine from?

While no one can keep God's commandments on their own strength, we can through Jesus Christ. He would not give us commandments to keep, without giving us the power to keep them. We are saved from sin Mat 1:21, not saved in sin Heb 10:26-30

I agree, it takes time but one can get there, it is why after Jesus healed people he always or almost always said, go and sin no more, sin being defined by the Moral Law the 10 commandments.

Scriptures shows God has people who overcome

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

It's not to say if we slip and fall we can't take our sins to the feet of Jesus who when we confess, He cleanses us from all sin and unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 but we not only need to confess, we need to forsake our sins Pro 28:13 but we should not be living in perpetual sin and through His power we can overcome Phil 4:13, just as Jesus did Heb 4:15

 

[SabbathBlessings]

but where is that false doctrine from?

From the father of all lies, who thinks he has more power to keep us in sin than Jesus does to keep us from sin. So many people beleive the lie, sadly.

1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning.

I agree, it takes time but one can get there, it is why after Jesus healed people he always or almost always said, go and si no more, sin being defined as the morel law the 10 commandments.

Agree! Once we learn the truth....Psa 119:60 I made haste, and did not delay To keep Your commandments.

Another trick of the other spirit, to delay our obedience to God.

Its why the Holy Spirit says....

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,