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Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Hoonbaba, Apr 19, 2002.

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  1. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

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    Hi Humblejoe,

    But how can we be sure he was regenerated? Matthew 3:14 says that John the baptist need a baptism from Jesus. And we know that the spirit of God even came upon Saul and he prophesied (1 Samuel 19:20)

    So what's to say that he was regenerated while still in the womb? Then again I think I might be pushing into another issue.

    -Jason
     
  2. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

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    Hi VOW,

    A friend of mine shared about this and said:

    Catholics do NOT believe anyone can be saved except by some relationship to Christ and his Church.

    Vatican Document: Dominus Iesus
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html

    After reading it, it sounds very clear to me that Christ is the only way.

    -Jason
     
  3. Caedmon

    Caedmon kawaii Supporter

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    Hoonbaba,

    The only way a person can be filled with the Holy Spirit is if they have been regenerated by God.
     
  4. VOW

    VOW Moderator

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    To Joe:

    Your point is?



    Peace be with you,
    ~VOW
     
  5. Augustine

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    What I think, is that it's sad when a man has to hear God's truth from the mouth of a donkey. (Numbers 22:28-30)

    The Catechism is simply wrong, as are the ecumenists who are betraying Christ, teaching Catholics worship the same God as the Jews and Muslims do. Since both reject the Holy Trinity, they are at the very least adherants to a lie, and worship a lie.

    22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
    23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.
    (1 John 2:22-23)

    Do Jews not deny that the Lord Jesus "is the Christ"? Do not both Jews and Muslims reject the idea that the Lord Jesus is God the Son?

    When it rejected Christ, the religion of the Jews became an anti-Christ religion, and Mohammedanism was such from it's inception.
     
  6. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

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    Hi Augustine,

    I just wanted to say that I agree with you =)

    -Jason
     
  7. Augustine

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    Wolseley,

    By that logic, the Canaanites call Him "Baal".

    I spit at such a thought, and deny it, and call it the blasphemy it is, of course.

    Who is the anti-Christ, according to St.Johh, Wolseley?
     
  8. Hoonbaba

    Hoonbaba Catholic Preterist

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    Augustine,

    No offense, but are you out to tear apart other Catholics? I think your attitude is a bit discouraging in general.

    -Jason
     
  9. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    I believe Judiasm to be our forerunner in the faith of Abraham. Saying that Judaism does not worship the same God we do is utter nonesense, though they haven't accepted His full revelation. They are against Christ, and for that may God have mercy, but to say that it isn't the same God, though through a misunderstanding, they worship...????

    Would you necessarily consign Protestants to Hell, Augustine, for their views? Do they not worship the same God as the Church?

    Neal
     
  10. VOW

    VOW Moderator

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    Jews are God's Chosen People. No timeline was placed upon them, and despite the fact that in the OT, the Jews sinned again, and again, and AGAIN against God, they STILL were His Chosen People.

    We SHARE in that heritage through Christ.

    If God breaks His promises, then ALL of us are in a world of hurtin'!


    Peace be with you,
    ~VOW
     
  11. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    Ah, a sedevaticanist. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but since the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth, and not those who disagree with her teachings, you will indulge me if I do not share your viewpoints. :)
    Does it?

    To the best of my knowledge, Christians, Muslims, and Jews are monotheists; the Canaanites, on the other hand, not only worshipped Baal, they also worshipped Yamm, Mot, Dagon, Anath, Ashtoreth, Padriya, Yarih, Nikkal, and Horon. Which specific deity are you assuming they equated with Yahweh?
    If you're spitting at equating Canaanite deities with the living God, I agree that it's blasphemy. If it's because you think that acknowledging that there is one single God Whom all three major monotheistic religions worship is blasphemy, I'd say you're again entitled to your opinion.
    I am a person of lowly intelligence and poorly educated, Sahib. I am sure you know this much better than I.

    But just for kickers, who were the Gnostics whom John was referring to in that passage of 1 John 2:22-23, Augustine, and why was John saying what he did to his target audience?
     
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