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Bless you MM. You're discovered one truth already! That Paul, being ignorant of the law, still had sin. He was innocent in the sense of not knowing that he had sinned. So, do you think he had a guilty conscience? That his soul was dead? It WASN'T .. he says so himself! Then he heard the law, sin revived (the same sin he had before, covetousness, happened again only this time he was aware of sin), and he died (his soul felt guilt and his conscience was cut off from God, Paul having chosen to sin in the face of God's commandment.).
Showing once again, that you have not studied.
Who was Paul?
Saul, later called Paul was a Pharisee. Matter of fact, Paul was a Pharisee.
"Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;" -Phil. 3:5
Paul knew the Law better than anybody except the Lord who wrote it.
"I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day." -Acts 22:3
Paul was not ignorant!
Basically, yes. Do you think a child that gets hold of daddy's gun and accidentally blows his sister' brains out with it is guilty? What if he hates her, too is that sin? Is an animal guilty of sin for killing other animals to eat? No .. none of these have a conscience that knows what sin is.
Again, you have not studied much.
Did you know that in the Old Testament, there were provisions for sins committed out of ignorance?
Check out Lev. 4:2.
Here's where Calvinists don't quite get it. What being saved really means spiritually is to have their consciences relieved of guilt and their sin natures changed by the Spirit to having the nature of God in them.
I could jump all over this, but where do I begin?
Have you been so expunged of sin by the Christ event that you cannot sin or have fully had your sin nature eradicated?
Shows you don't understand Calvinism, and it shows that you don't know Romans either.
Paul still sinned after the point of salvation, so did Peter. And these men, Peter saw God with his very own eyes, and Paul, heard Him with their own ears.
Yes, they had a new nature implanted in them. But it does not change the fact that our old man is still with us.
It is said:
The believer, on the other hand, has the capacity for godliness because the Spirit of God lives within him or her. He still has the capacity for sin as well, but he now has the ability to resist sin and, more importantly, the desire to resist and to live godly. When Christ was crucified, the old man was crucified with Him, resulting in the Christian's no longer being a slave to sin (Romans 6:6). We have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness (Romans 6:18).
At the moment of conversion, the Christian receives a new nature. It is instantaneous. Sanctification, on the other hand, is the process by which God develops our new nature, enabling us to grow into more holiness through time. This is a continuous process with many victories and defeats as the new nature battles with the tent in which it residesthe old man, old nature, flesh.
In Romans 7, Paul explains the battle that rages continually in even the most spiritually mature people. He laments that he does what he doesnt want to do and, in fact, does the evil he detests. He says that is the result of sin living in me (Romans 7:20). He delights in Gods law according to his inner being, but he sees another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members (v. 23). Here is the classic example of the two entities, whatever terms they may carry. The point is that the battle is real, and it is one Christians will wage throughout their lives.
Read more: Does a Christian have two natures?
Something else Baptists said over 200 years ago:
They who are united to Christ, effectually called, and regenerated, having a new heart and a new spirit created in them, through the virtue of Christ's death and resurrection; are also further sanctified, really and personally,1 through the same virtue, by His Word and Spirit dwelling in them;2 the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed,3 and the several lusts thereof, are more and more weakened and mortified;4 and they more and more quickened, and strengthened in all saving graces,5 to the practice of all true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.6
2.This sanctification is throughout in the whole man,7 yet imperfect in this life; there abideth still some remnants of corruption in every part,8 whence ariseth a continual and irreconcilable war; the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh.9
1. Ac 20:32; Ro 6:5-6.
2. Jn 17:17; Eph 3:16-19; 1Th 5:21-23.
3. Ro 6:14.
4. Gal 5:24.
5. Col 1:11.
6. 2Co 7:1; Heb 12:14.
7. 1Th 5:23.
8. Ro 7:18,23.
philadelphia confession-chapter 13
That is Paul's message.
Our hearts must be changed, and the spirit renewed.
"Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me." -Psa. 51:10
And even though this has happened, it does not mean we won't sin, either willingly or out of ignorance.
I was saved in 1974. But I still to this day fight with sin that still indwells me.
That is Paul's message in Romans 7.
Donald Grey Barnhouse sums it up like this:
When we are born again new desires are implanted along with the divine nature. However intense these new natures may be, within ourselves is still a principle that is contrary to the will of God; this principle of evil, which opposes every claim of God, hinders and impares every effort to please Him.
Romans, Volume III, God's Freedom, Chapter XVIII, Paul Delivered from Sin, A Regenerate Man Speaking, Wm. B. Erdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Mi. Copyright 1961, p. 239
Sorry once again.
God Bless
Till all are one.
You don't know what Calvinism actually teaches do you?
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