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What did you do that was submissive?

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Here's my perspective as a husband.

I think respect, for me, is more important than submission, but they go hand in hand.

If you are going to make a reasonably large purchase, you could ask him. My wife wanted to buy some sheets, and she called and asked if it were okay. Part of that is I knew better what was in the bank than she did.

If you disagree about finances, if he is a typical decent guy in our culture, he'll listen to you. But if he disagrees after you share your thoughts, let him makes a decision. If he doesn't want to hear you, let him make the decision. Usually, unless a man is a control freak or something, he will listen to his wife, the exception being if there has been a lot of bickering.

Respect is really important. Things like not raising your voice, putting him down when you are alone or especially to others, ignoring him, cutting him off. That may not even be a challenge when you are in the Honeymoon stage, and you keep calling each other pet names and looking into each others eyes. But some time in the future when you haven't slept because the third baby kept you up all night and the other kids have wanted your attention all day, and you are hungry, and you and your husband discuss finances, the temptation not to be respectful and kind, on both sides, can be greater.

My wife is the modest type. But if she wears an outfit that is maybe a little low cut (just below the collar bone) she might ask me about it. If I think it's inappropriate, I'll suggest something. She's done this for me to kind of joke around when she was going to wear one of those attachment thingies to cover the breast area. (Which my mother invented at home sewing right before another brand came out on the market, so she didn't get a chance to make any money off of them. She had a great name for them. It would have made a great DRTV product, IMO.)

If your husband does tell you to do something, the Bible gives this as an example of submission in I Peter 3, "as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord." I don't go around telling my wife do this or that. But if I did, I'd want her to take it serious. As children, we are supposed to take our parents directions quite seriously. We should do the same with our bosses as hired servants of whatever company we work at. Wives should also do the same with their husbands.

There are other things you can do that are submissive that aren't directly obedience. If he says, "Make me a sandwich" and you make one, that's obedience. I just found out that that's some kind of saying high school guys say to their girlfriends nowadays to tease them. But if he comes home and you suggest he take a seat and you offer him a glass of lemonade you just made for him as a surprise and you cooked him his favorite meal, that's serving him. It's also a submissive thing to do, though you aren't obeying something he said, directly. And that sort of thing is fair, too, if he is out working and you are stay-at-home. If you are both working long hours, it may have to be take-out or hot food from a grocery store or something out of the microwave at times.
 
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Ugh. Read better books? ^_^

How about this: "Mandy wants to go out dancing, but Billy wants to stay indoors and watch a movie. Billy tells Mandy he's tired, and really isn't comfortable with Mandy going out dancing alone because other men are there and it's just a sketchy situation. Mandy discovers that she's married an idiot, but decides not to stick a fork in his eye."

Now that's submission. ;)

Oh my... I'm cracking up like crazy right now. Yes I guess that would be submission :p
 
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Being submissive is for each of us to use our God-given skills to help take care of the other.

For my husband, he uses this skills of being able to cook, engage in social events, and positive attitude to make my life better. When something bad happens, he is the one who handles the situation and plans what to do (like when our cat was sick or when my car was breaking down and I was a ball of anxiety and fear).

For me, it is realizing not to boss around my husband. Being submissive is taking care of our house by doing what I can to keep it clean and organized- it is not for me to give my husband a to do list or expect him to know what chores I'd like him to do. It is also that I can handle the budgeting and pay the bills- those just happen to be the best skills that I have.
 
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There have been times when I have submitted to my husband's decision when I wanted to make a different one - in particular the one on whether or not to have a third child. He said no and basically put his foot down. He was nice about it - he said, "Hon, I don't often tell you no, but I feel strongly on this one." I reluctantly agreed and grieved, and now 7 years later, see the wisdom of it, seeing as since then, we've discovered we have our hands full with the two we have (both ADHD, and one also autistic.) However, there have been other times when I knew he was making a bad decision and I put my own foot down and didn't let it happen, and our family is better for it. I think in order to be submissive to our spouses, we first need to be submissive to God. No one person is going to have it right all the time no matter how hard we try, and in marriage - in our marriage, at least - it takes both of us to determine the path God wants us to take as a family.
 
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3rd important pre-marital question.

I know the bible and the Christian "how to be married successfully" books all say "the wife should be submissive". And the bible doesn't really give any examples that apply to modern day and the books will have a generic hypothetical generated scenario like "Mandy wants to go out dancing, but Billy wants to stay indoors and watch a movie. Billy tells Mady he's tired, and really isn't comfortable with Mandy going out dancing alone because other men are there and it's just a sketchy situation, so she agrees to stay home and have date-night-in"
Stuff like that...
Good example I guess, but I want to see examples in all categories of married life so I know what I'm supposed to do when presented with a scenario where I'm supposed to know to be submissive, because let's face it, I'm derpy and it will woosh right over my head.
Like, a story about a wife not going out dancing doesn't necesarily help me if I'm facing a complicated money problem with my man. LOL

So what are some real life examples y'all can give of you (the wife) or your spouse (if you're a guy) being submissive sucessfully?

Ditch the self-help books, whether they're labelled Christian or not. Why can't two people just be themselves together? Who cares if something is labelled 'submissive' or not? In Orthodox Christianity marriage is about martyrdom- which is why we have a crowning ceremony- we are supposed to submit ourselves to each other. This isn't just a woman thing or a man thing. It's a put the other person before yourself thing. If you're both on the same page, it will not be a problem.
 
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Note: There *is* an issue with this thread, but not what you might think.

The subforum is Questions From Singles About Marriage. If the OP is already married, the thread doesn't belong here. The topic being submission, the Married Couples Statement of Purpose requires it be asked in the Women's Personal Topics subforum. Yes, I know. Then you can't get input from the men. And so far, this thread has been very civil, so I am reluctant to close or move it unilaterally.

I will begin a topic to discuss the issue with other staff, and see what should be done. Meanwhile, I'll share what a pastor's wife once told me. "Submit means stand back so God can get a better shot at him." :wave:

Will keep you updated.

ETA, I may be a dork. :doh: It could be that the OP wasn't married yet when she started the thread. I didn't see the start date until just now. Anyway, we'll see what wiser staff than I am have to say about it.

ETA again, word from upstairs is that the thread is fine. :wave:
 
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I just went a Bible study lately that talked about how submission is a heart issue and learning how to submit to God (desiring and pursuing His will over our own will). helps us to learn how to submit to others. Here are a few example from my life.....

1. My husband loves cars (he takes over an hour to wash our cars and checks on them at night... recently I had to get a new/used tire and I bought it because I like to do things and get them done and move on!) my husband felt insulted/hurt because he likes to be in charge of the cars. So we made a deal that I tell him about any care repairs and we will do it together. He does not force me to wait but I am willing to surrender my "do it now ways" to find a way that works for both of us.

2. My husband usually works on Sundays but when he is off he likes to visit his church that he has attended for years. His church is small and dying in a way due to some changes. I really enjoy my church and I don't like missing a Sunday, but missing a Sunday at my church to attend his church every once and awhile is ok.

Submission is making a sacrifice that does not have to hurt you, but that can be a blessing to your spouse and it should be a 2 way street...the wife should not be the only one that has to submit!!!!
 
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**~((Putting the big: "This is my opinion as a complementarian" banner over my post)) ~ **
No the wife isn't the only one who should submit, but she's called to.
The husband is called to love his wife as Christ loved the church, and you don't get much more sacrificial than that.
I defer to my husband when it comes to the big issues or big decisions. He in turn, respects my opinion over almost everyone else's, in that way I know I'm always heard, considered and respected.
In our family he is the head of the household, but that hardly makes me a doormat to be walked upon, and anyone who knew us and our relationship would laugh at the thought...

If you're interested in the theology behind complementarianism, I'd wiki it. ;)

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Does the Bible actually use the word, "submissive"?


Anyway....I think the reason why you aren't finding examples in the Bible (outdated or not) is because there is no formula---no one answer (for anything pertaining to how we are to respond to things).

One of my favorite studies is Chip Ingram's study on the book of Acts. The first part is titled, "Unstoppable"....and the last half is, "Diabolical". IMO......every Christian ought to go through this study.

In the notes (which I found online just now)....one thing that's made an impact on me was this quote:

For one man faith means stepping out and leaving everything. For another man it&#8217;s going back to where you don&#8217;t want to go to. There are no formulas. It&#8217;s trusting and believing.

If you're interested......this is the link to the transcript and notes:

Agenda #2 - Maintain the Status Quo, Part 2

http://livingontheedge.org/diabolical-satans-agenda-02-maintain-the-status-quo.pdf
 
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mkgal1

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Also......just to put in my two cents on what the word (submit) even means. I believe we are often making it out to be something we *do*.....when it's more about attitude....motivation.....our heart. I believe it's simply not being selfish---not allowing our selves to get in the way of what God would want. I also believe it's about unity....considering others along with our selves....and win/win solutions.
 
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When I got married I had a serious problem with submission because my husband believed that since the bible states that wives must submit to their husbands then the wives should submit to everything that they said regardless of whether or not the wives agreed. As you expected my marriage did not last. I went to God for answers and believe me he gave them to me.
The Lord took me back to the beginning which is the book of Genesis to teach me submission. Submission is a spiritual act not a physical act. The Lord created man and woman equal. As a single person you need to learn the truth about submission. I will tell you more if you are interested.

Totally agree........wah gwan.

But I think people tend to forget and don't pree that the submission is not about doing it is a state of being. It's a thought not an action, just like leader is a thought and not an action. I think the church teaches more so the fleshy understanding of terms instead of digging a bit deeper and going to the spiritual side of things.

When we think of the term leader we could look at Jesus. I think being a leader is a position of service, sacrifice and love. People fear the term submission because no one wants to be known as being in the service of others. I think that is flesh and not the spiritual reality.
 
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not about doing it is a state of being.
Exactly. That's probably one of the most difficult concepts to express---to define.

Maybe another way of putting it is by describing the opposite. I think the opposite is to be disengaged.....off in one's own little world, and not allowing the feelings/opinions of the other person to have any effect....to be able to totally dismiss the other person. To submit to one another is just the opposite of that (IMO).
 
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