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WHAT DID PETER KNOW?

In Matthew 26:29, towards the end of the Passover/Last supper, which was held with His apostles, Jesus said… “…I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”

Jesus is quoted as to this again in Luke 22:18,19,20... “ ‘…I say to you, (apostles) I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.’ 19: And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, ‘This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.’ 20: Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.’”

Now we turn to Acts 10:28... (Peter speaking to Cornelius) “….‘You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean.’”

Peter got this word from the Lord on Simon’s housetop , as stated earlier in chap 10.

Then in verses 39- 43, Peter continues his message to the Gentile Cornelius and his family… “ ‘And we are witnesses of all these things which He (Jesus) did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem (which was then under Roman rule), whom they killed by hanging on a tree. 40: Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, 41: not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. 42: And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. 43: To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever (of the Jews or the Gentiles) believes in Him will receive remission of sins.’”

It does not take a genius to research enough to come to the conclusion that what Peter and the other apostles “…drank with Him…” (Jesus) was “of the fruit of the vine”; and so… the next conclusion is that “the kingdom of God” was issued into being at the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

To declare that “the kingdom of God” was in existence prior to the time that Jesus told those who were eating and drinking with Him (His apostles) that He would not drink of the fruit of the vine “until the kingdom of God comes” (which statement requires that the “kingdom of God” was not then in existence) is to accuse our Lord of duplicity at the best, and at the worst of His being a liar. Don’t think I want to put myself in that position.

Shalom… WAB


 

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From Volume 2, ACTS DISPENSATIONALLY CONSIDERED by C. R. Stam.

Chapter XVIII - Acts 10:30-11:18

THE CONVERSION OF CORNELIUS

AND HIS HOUSEHOLD

CORNELIUS TELLS HIS STORY

"And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,

"And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.

"Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.

"Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

'Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

"But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him." --Acts 10:30-35.


Cornelius now relates to Peter and his companions the circumstances and details of his vision.

Four days previous he had fasted until "this hour," i.e., the same hour of the day as that in which he was then speaking; not "this hour" of the fourth day, as some have supposed. "This hour" was apparently "the ninth hour" for it was then that the angel had appeared to him (Ver. 30).. Now, the ninth hour, or three o'clock in the afternoon, was Israel's evening "hour of prayer" (Acts 3:1) and it is significant that this was when the angel appeared, informing him that his prayer was heard and that his alms had been remembered in the sight of God.

We have already proved by the Scriptures that at this time Cornelius was not yet "saved" (11:14) that he had not yet received the "remission of sins" (10:43) or eternal "life" (11:18) but his prayers and works indicated a desire to know the true God, and God now revealed to him, at Israel's time of prayer, that He was about to respond to that desire.

The deep sincerity of Cornelius' desire to know God and do His will is expressed in his words:

"Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God."

GOD NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS


And now Peter makes a significant statement:

"Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons" (Ver. 34).

Mark well, this is the same person who, a few years ago, had been instructed: "Go not into the way of the Gentiles" (Matt. 10:5); who had heard his Master say: "I am not sent, but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24) and "Let the children first be filled" (Mark 7:27). This is the one who had later been sent with the other apostles to preach repentance and remission of sins to all nations "beginning at Jerusalem" (Luke 24:47)[/i] who himself had cried to the house of Israel: "Ye are the children... of the covenant.. . UNTO YOU FIRST..." etc. (Acts 3:25,26). But now he says: "God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean" (Acts 10:28) and "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons" (Ver. 34). Peter did not know that a new program was to be ushered in. He did not know that God was concluding all in unbelief that He might have mercy upon all. He did not proclaim the gospel of the grace of God to Cornelius and his household. But he did know that God, according to His own sovereign will, had instructed him to go to these Gentiles, "nothing doubting" and had learned therefrom that God was indeed no respecter of persons.

Is it not significant that this should take place just after the conversion of Saul, for it was Saul who was now to be sent forth as the apostle of grace to all the world, and there must be some recognition of this by those apostles who had been sent to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom to all the world beginning with Israel.

It is in the epistles of Paul that we learn why God, who is "no respecter of persons," ever put a difference between Jews and Gentiles. He made a difference between them simply to show that there is no difference. He made a dispensationaI difference to show that there is no essential difference. He erected a "middle wall of partition" between them to demonstrate that that wall must be broken down; that the one is no better than the other.

But let us go on with Peter's statement.

"Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons;

"BUT IN EVERY NATION HE THAT FEARETH HIM, AND WORKETH RIGHTEOUSNESS, IS ACCEPTED WITH HIM" (Acts 10:34,35).


We have seen that this passage cannot mean that Cornelius was already saved. These words must be viewed in the light of Ver. 28 and the rest of the context. Cornelius was accepted simply in the sense that he was no longer to be considered "unclean." The answer to his prayer at Israel's hour of prayer, indicated that God now accepted him in the same sense that He did His covenant people Israel. This did not indicate that he was saved any more than it indicated that all Israelites were saved for, remember, even circumcision itself did not save.

The case of Cornelius should be considered in the light of two important passages from Paul's writings:

"... He that cometh to God MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS, AND THAT HE IS A REWARDER OF THEM THAT DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM" (Heb. 11:6).

"For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

"THEREFORE IF THE UNCIRCUMCISION KEEP THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW, SHALL NOT HIS UNCIRCUMCISION BE COUNTED FOR CIRCUMCISION?" (Rom. 2:25,26).


Cornelius sincerely believed] that Israel's God was the true God.20 He diligently sought Him, as his prayers and piety and works indicated. Hence God responded to his desire and revealed Himself to him.

Cornelius' works did not take the place of Christ, but of Moses (10:35,36). Suppose Cornelius, after hearing about Christ, had chosen to rest in his own works. He would, of course, have been lost, for obedience to the moral law in itself has always been as impotent to save as circumcision and the sacrifices. Witness the cases of Nicodemus, the rich young ruler and Saul of Tarsus.

Thus Cornelius was accepted, not as saved, but for salvation (11:14). And now Peter begins to tell him those words whereby he and all his house are to be saved.

PETER'S INTERRUPTED SERMON

"The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (He is Lord of all:)

“That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

"How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him.

"And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

"Him God raised up the third day, and showed Him openly;

"Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with Him after He rose from the dead.

"And He commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is He which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

"To Him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.

"While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the Word.

"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

"For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

"And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." --Acts 10:36-48.


The link between prophecy and the mystery is clearly seen in Peter's sermon and God's interruption of it at the home of Cornelius.

That Peter did not know God's long-hidden plan concerning the ascended, glorified Christ is certain. Even Paul had only begun to learn about it, for it was gradually made known to him from the time of his conversion on (Acts 22:14; 26:16; II Cor. 12:1,7). Peter's message to this gathering of Gentiles was strictly in accord with the prophetic Word and with the great commission which the Lord had given him to carry out.

He began with "the word which God sent unto the children of Israel... after the baptism which John preached" (Ver. 36,37).

Peter here stressed a fact which is too often overlooked: that John actually preached baptism (Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3) and that he did this in connection with the manifestation of Christ to Israel (Cf. John 1:31). Then he continued with the story of the Lord's earthly ministry "in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem" (Ver. 38,39) and finally related how they slew Him and hanged Him on a tree, but how God raised Him from the dead again, and how He had commanded the eleven to proclaim Him as God's ordained Judge of quick and dead (Ver. 39-42).

All this, of course, is strictly in line with prophecy and forms a striking contrast to Paul's gospel of the grace of God, for whereas Peter began with Christ's earthly ministry and proceeded to His death, resurrection and appointment as Judge, the Apostle Paul later began with the death and resurrection of Christ as glad news for salvation and proceeded to His glory at God's right hand as the Dispenser of grace and Head of the Body. Indeed, Peter, relating the fact of our Lord's death, did not even offer it as the means of salvation, as Paul later did in "the preaching of the cross."

Even according to prophecy and the "great commission," however, salvation was to be through faith in the person of Christ.21 Hence Peter went on to say:

"TO HIM GIVE ALL THE PROPHETS WITNESS, THAT THROUGH HIS NAME WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS" (Ver. 43).

Now this statement, while in perfect harmony with the prophetic program, coincides at the same time with the mystery kept secret until revealed through Paul, for in both faith in the person of Christ was basic.

And here God interrupted Peter.

"While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them whichheard the Word" (Ver. 44).

Most Bible teachers have taught that Peter used the "keys of the kingdom," first with Israel, at Pentecost, and then with the Gentiles at the home of Cornelius. This is not confirmed by the Scriptures, however, nor can it be. Peter did not open the door to these Gentiles. God took the matter out of his hands, interrupting his sermon and opening the door Himself, while "they of the circumcision" looked on in astonishment.

It is a fair question to ask how Peter would have concluded his sermon had he not been interrupted, for the Scripture sheds clear light on this question. Suppose Peter had continued with his sermon and his hearers, like those at Pentecost, had been convicted and had asked: "What shall we do?" What would Peter have replied? There can be but one answer. He had not, like Paul, been sent to preach faith in Christ without works, for salvation. Those who believed under his ministry, even among the Gentiles, were to be "baptized for the remission of sins" (Cf. Acts 2:38 with Mark 16:15,16). But before Peter had come to this, and just after he had stated the necessity of faith in Christ for salvation, God interrupted his sermon and took the matter out of his hands. Hence Peter later defended himself before the other apostles, saying: "What was I, that I could withstand God?" (Acts 11:17).

While, as we say, Peter did not know the secret purpose which God had in mind, we do find here further distinct departures from the program of prophecy and the "great commission" coming, significantly, after the conversion of Saul.

We have already pointed out that Peter was sent to these Gentiles, not under the "great commission," but by a special commission, not because Israel had now accepted Messiah, but in spite of the fact that Israel went on stubbornly rejecting Him. And now Cornelius and his household are saved and receive the Spirit; again, not because Israel had first been saved; not as the next step in the program of prophecy and the "great commission," but by divine intervention, by divine grace. These Gentiles were saved and received the Spirit without having

first been baptized--another distinct departure from the "great commission"--but God Himself had done it, and for His own good reasons, later to be revealed through the Apostle Paul.

Those of the circumcision were astonished, of course, that these Gentiles had received the gift of the Holy Spirit, but the more so because this had taken place without their first having been baptized. This was certainly a departure from what Peter had preached at Pentecost (Acts 2:38). Hence Peter's response:

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" (Ver. 47).

Here is still another departure from the program of the "great commission" which should be carefully noted. Gentiles, from here on and for some time to come, under Paul's ministry, were to be baptized, since God had not yet fully and officially set Israel and the kingdom program aside, but water baptism was never to be required of Gentiles for salvation, as it was to have been under the "great commission." Nor were they to receive the Holy Spirit only after being baptized as outlined in the "great commission" (Mark 16:16-18; Acts 2:38). Thus Paul could challenge those saved under his ministry: "Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?" (Gal. 3:2).

As far as the Scriptures are concerned, the twelve did not again minister to Gentiles. Thus the ministry of Peter, the chief of the twelve, to this one Gentile household, coming as it did, after the stoning of Stephen and the conversion of Saul, was designed by God to cause Peter and the church at Jerusalem to give public recognition and endorsement to Paul's subsequent ministry among the Gentiles when the issue was later brought up (See Acts 15:7-11, 22-29). (SNIP)

God Bless.
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Good Post, Dispy. Cornelius was the ONLY gentile Peter ever went to, and God had to drag him kicking and screaming to even go to him...why? Because PETER knew they werent to to go the gentiles...Jesus told them NOT to. This was something "special"....unique...and showed that God indeed was about to do something very different. Cornelius was the first gentile saved without circumcision.
 
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cubanito said:
In your opinion, who where the letters of 1st and 2nd Peter written for? Do they apply to Gentiles?

JR

Hi JR... Am posting a reply to your question in a new thread titled "1st and 2nd Peter... Written for whom?" hoping that it won't get buried as quickly as so many others have.....

Shalom... WAB
 
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Since Peter was a minister to the Circumcision, I would say with confidence that his letters had significance to the Nation of Israel. Peters calling wasnt to the gentiles, but to JEWS. If folks would just realize that Gods program with the Nation Israel was UNDERSTOOD by Peter and the boys,as well as Christ in His ministry on EARTH. It is we who profess to BE believers today that have NO clue what that program was all about , and why God Changed programs. It would behoove us to study, as God tells us to, and then we would ALL see the reason for God having two plans.
 
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eph3Nine said:
Since Peter was a minister to the Circumcision, I would say with confidence that his letters had significance to the Nation of Israel. Peters calling wasnt to the gentiles, but to JEWS. If folks would just realize that Gods program with the Nation Israel was UNDERSTOOD by Peter and the boys,as well as Christ in His ministry on EARTH. It is we who profess to BE believers today that have NO clue what that program was all about , and why God Changed programs. It would behoove us to study, as God tells us to, and then we would ALL see the reason for God having two plans.

What you are saying here eph, is that Christ didn't have a clue as to what the Father's program entailed as long as He was walking on earth. Again...:doh:
 
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eph3Nine said:
Since Peter was a minister to the Circumcision, I would say with confidence that his letters had significance to the Nation of Israel. Peters calling wasnt to the gentiles, but to JEWS. If folks would just realize that Gods program with the Nation Israel was UNDERSTOOD by Peter and the boys,as well as Christ in His ministry on EARTH. It is we who profess to BE believers today that have NO clue what that program was all about , and why God Changed programs. It would behoove us to study, as God tells us to, and then we would ALL see the reason for God having two plans.

Wow, I finally get it:thumbsup: . Peter was only writing to the guys, (ie of the circumcision). Paul is for women and girlie-men goyim! Now finally it all makes sense. Well, as so many Gentile men are of the circumcision, Peter writes to them along with male Jews, but those girlie-men like me left uncircumcised by their parents should only listen to Paul :sorry:

OK, please don't be offended, I really do not mean it as that. It was such a good joke sitting there...

just kidding, I promise...

JR
 
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cubanito said:
Wow, I finally get it:thumbsup: . Peter was only writing to the guys, (ie of the circumcision). Paul is for women and girlie-men goyim! Now finally it all makes sense. Well, as so many Gentile men are of the circumcision, Peter writes to them along with male Jews, but those girlie-men like me left uncircumcised by their parents should only listen to Paul :sorry:

I realize you are joking...but lets BE serious, as this IS a serious issue. Peter was writing to those of his day, ie;TIMES PAST Eph. 2:11. Judaism was the ONLY game in town.

We are in the BUT NOW of Eph 2:13, and not operating in the program of times PAST. Paul came with a NEW message given to him BY GOD for both jew and gentile alike. NO MORE DISTINCTION! This was a direct revelation from the RISEN LORD JESUS Christ that signaled the END of the program that Peter preached and the BEGINNING of something NEW!
 
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WAB said:
What you are saying here eph, is that Christ didn't have a clue as to what the Father's program entailed as long as He was walking on earth. Again...:doh:

Oh Im not saying that at all! Christ knew exactly what His earthly purpose was, and He told us what it was as well. " I came NOT but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel"

He and God the Father knew EXACTLY what they were doing. I submit that it is YOU who dont have a clue.:thumbsup: Its obvious from what you say that this is the case.

God had a SECRET, and its obvious you still dont know what it is! I find that to be very sad indeed. Paul tells us over and over NOT TO BE IGNORANT of the mysteries we have been given as STEWARDS to deliver to others. There will be NO prizes for ignorance in heaven.
 
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eph3Nine said:
I realize you are joking...but lets BE serious, as this IS a serious issue. Peter was writing to those of his day, ie;TIMES PAST Eph. 2:11. Judaism was the ONLY game in town.

We are in the BUT NOW of Eph 2:13, and not operating in the program of times PAST. Paul came with a NEW message given to him BY GOD for both jew and gentile alike. NO MORE DISTINCTION! This was a direct revelation from the RISEN LORD JESUS Christ that signaled the END of the program that Peter preached and the BEGINNING of something NEW!

Right... but you really think that our Lord Christ Jesus didn't have a clue about the upcoming new covenant... and that is why He (through the Holy Spirit) told Peter to stick with the old covenant.

To suggest that Jesus had a faulty appreciation of what was to come upon His resurrection (while He was walking on earth) is to denigrate His deity. HE KNEW.
 
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eph3Nine said:
Oh Im not saying that at all! Christ knew exactly what His earthly purpose was, and He told us what it was as well. " I came NOT but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel"

He and God the Father knew EXACTLY what they were doing. I submit that it is YOU who dont have a clue.:thumbsup: Its obvious from what you say that this is the case.

God had a SECRET, and its obvious you still dont know what it is! I find that to be very sad indeed. Paul tells us over and over NOT TO BE IGNORANT of the mysteries we have been given as STEWARDS to deliver to others. There will be NO prizes for ignorance in heaven.

Ah-h-h, I see... the Father kept the new covenant a secret from the Son until He ascended to heaven?

May I suggest to you that Jesus walked on earth, after His resurrection, for a period of time long enough to inform Peter of all that the new covenant entailed?

Do you actually think that the Lord, who certainly would have known what Peter's up-coming behavior/teaching/preaching was going to entail, would completely ignore what Peter's gospel would consist of if indeed it would contradict the gospel Paul was to preach? Don't think so.

Christ certainly adhered to all of the Law prior to His death, burial, and resurrection. And... He showed His disciples their failures in obedience to the said Law. This is why the Law is our "child conductor" or pedagogue to "bring us to Christ"

Galatians 3:14... Therefore the law was our tutor (pedagogue) to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

No one other than the Lord Jesus was ever able to keep the Law, and that includes Peter and Paul, and you and me.

That is the reason the Lord issued in "the dispensation of the grace of God" (Eph.3:2) "which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets;" (Eph.3:5). Including... Peter and Paul!

Shalom... WAB
 
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WAB said:
Ah-h-h, I see... the Father kept the new covenant a secret from the Son until He ascended to heaven?

Again you put words into my mouth. If I want to say something, I will just come right out and SAY it, OK??? I dont need YOU to interpret for me what I mean to say.

God says He HAD A SECRET...something NOT given to those in times past, but revealed in due time to Paul. It is called the MYSTERY. Look up the phrase "hid in God" , or "mystery" or "Kept SECRET". Do you think God was kidding when He said He had a SECRET?

Jesus wasnt confused. He knew who His targeted audience was when He preached on the EARTH..He tells us who it was...and it wasnt us. It was the NATION ISRAEL? Was God lying? Was Jesus stupid? I think NOT.

May I suggest to you that Jesus walked on earth, after His resurrection, for a period of time long enough to inform Peter of all that the new covenant entailed?

The new covenant had to do with the nation Israel as well. NOT with we the Body of Christ. Peter knew..it is YOU who do not know what you are talking about here. The NEW Covenant will be made with the same audience that the OLD covenant was made. It was a MARRIAGe agreement between God and Israel (see Jer 31:31) It had NOTHING to do with you and me.

God began the Body of Christ with PAUL...you arent part of Peters program , WAB.

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1- If that were true, then why did Paul always first sought to convert the Jews? As I read through Acts, Paul assidiously avoids Gentiles and heads for the synagoges. It is only in Philipi, where there was no synagoge, that he spoke to gentiles, and in other cities much later, only after being kicked out of the synagoge, often with an accompanying city-wide riot. Seems like paul remained with the old program of "to the Jew first'"

2- If indeed Paul was preaching a brand new program, why did he submit to the council at Jerusalem? Why did he oppose Judisers not only among Gentiles, but among the Jews?

3- In his letter, Peter specifically says that all of Paul's writings are inspired. Peter also had many long conversations with Paul, It would seem that Peter, recognizing Paul's authority, and being aquainted with him personally and at least some of Paul's writings, would have gotten with the new program. So why wouldn't he?

4- Jesus instituted a major revision of passover, changing it to communion. This He called the New Covenant. Eph, if that was the sign of a new covenant with Israel only, then we should abandon communion (and water baptism too). And Eph, if that New Covenant signature of the Eucharist did not apply to us, then neither does Paul's instructions to the Corinthians, or anywhere else Paul mentions communion. Communion is the sign of the New Cov, and acc to you it only applies to Israel. Well then, Paul gave the most explicit instructions on communion, so I guess Paul's target audience in at least some of his writings was still not us!

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cubanito said:
1- If that were true, then why did Paul always first sought to convert the Jews? As I read through Acts, Paul assidiously avoids Gentiles and heads for the synagoges. It is only in Philipi, where there was no synagoge, that he spoke to gentiles, and in other cities much later, only after being kicked out of the synagoge, often with an accompanying city-wide riot. Seems like paul remained with the old program of "to the Jew first'"

Prior to Paul's conversion, he describes himself thusly in Philippians 3:5 "Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, and Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee:
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law blameless."

His description of himself is pretty much the same as the Judaizers that hounded him during his earthly ministry. He (Paul) like they were zealous of the Law, and did not believe that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah of Israel.

When Paul was converted, he did not have the mystery revealed to him all at once. Because of his love for his fellow countrymen, he went about to the Jewish synogogues telling them that Jesus was the Christ. He used OT Scriptures to point it out to them. Paul used OT Scriptures more then any other apostle to prove that Jesus was the Christ, the long promised Messiah of Israel.

Keep in mind that all those that attended the synogogue were keepers of the Law, and not all of them believed that Jesus was their long promised Messiah. Paul's problems in the synogogues were with people like his former self.

When Paul was converted, he was commissioned to go to the Gentiles, kings, and children of Israel. So Paul was still carrying out what he was commissioned to do. He quit going to the Jews first because they were rejecting his message.

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2- If indeed Paul was preaching a brand new program, why did he submit to the council at Jerusalem? Why did he oppose Judisers not only among Gentiles, but among the Jews?

Paul "submitted" to the council at Jerusalem because he was told by God to go there. Gal.2:1 "Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Banabas, and too Titus with me also.
2. And i went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel (indication it was a different gospel) which I preached among the Gentiles..."

Paul opposed the Judaizers because they didn't believe that Jesus was their long promised Messiah, and that they wanted Paul's converts to adhere to the Laws of Moses.

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3- In his letter, Peter specifically says that all of Paul's writings are inspired. Peter also had many long conversations with Paul, It would seem that Peter, recognizing Paul's authority, and being aquainted with him personally and at least some of Paul's writings, would have gotten with the new program. So why wouldn't he?

Peter and the 11 were commissioned to preach "the gospel of the kingdom," To the Jew first (Acts 1:8), and then to the world. It was redeemed Israel that the Gentile nations were to be blessed. However, we see from the progression in the book of Acts; that Israel, as a nation rejected thier King and His Kingdom. Therefore, God set the nation of Israel aside and raised up Saul/Paul, not to preach "the gospel of the kingdom," but to preach the gospel of the grace of God. Not according to the fulfillment of OT prophesy, but to proclaim "...the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began" (Romans 16:25).

James, Chephas (Peter), and John, realizing that Paul had a commission that replaced their's, agree with Paul as Galatians 2:9 says: "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, preceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen (Gentiles) and they unto the circumcision (Jews).

Peter and the 11 were commissioned to preach "the gospel of the kingdom." Paul was commissioned to preach "the gospel of the grace of God." These are two opposing gospels (doctrines). Therefore, Peter and the 11 stayed with those who were saved under the preaching of their gospel. Their later letters are addressed to those saved under the kingdom program and were scattered because of the persecution.


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[4- Jesus instituted a major revision of passover, changing it to communion. This He called the New Covenant. Eph, if that was the sign of a new covenant with Israel only, then we should abandon communion (and water baptism too). And Eph, if that New Covenant signature of the Eucharist did not apply to us, then neither does Paul's instructions to the Corinthians, or anywhere else Paul mentions communion. Communion is the sign of the New Cov, and acc to you it only applies to Israel. Well then, Paul gave the most explicit instructions on communion, so I guess Paul's target audience in at least some of his writings was still not us!

Jesus never revised the passover. At the time of Matthew 26:28:29; Mark 14:24,25; Luke 22:17-20, He instituted what we call today "The Lord's Supper"/"Communion," while celebrating the Passover.

It was required of Israel to celebrate the Passover. Now that Israel, as a nation, is in a set aside condition, we do not celebrate the Passover, however, we do practise the Lord's Supper; in accordance with 1Cor.11:25, as a memorial to His death, and what it accomplished.

At the Passover, Jesus is speaking of the New Testament (Covenant) in His Blood. He is not speaking of New Covenant with Israel mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31, or Hebrews 8:10.

A Covenant is a contract/agreement/arrangement. So a New Covenant is a new contract/agreement/arrangement.

Prior to the crucifiction of Jesus, it was the blood of animals that atoned for the sins of God's chosen people. That blood did not take away sin, but only covered it. It only covered sins that were past. It did not cover future sins.

Under the New Covenant, (contract/agreement/arrangement), that Jesus was making in that Upper Room, the fulfillment of that contract/agreement/arrangement, was in His Blood. That is what the cup is representing. So the New Covenant that Jesus is speaking of, will be fulfilled with what the contents of the cup represented.

Under the New Covenant (contract/agreement/arrangement) The Blood of Christ does more then cover the sins that are past. It forgives all sins, past, present and future. It does not have to be done yearly or on a regular basis, it was a "once for all sacrifice."

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Paul went to the synagogues because there was where the LOST people WERE! He never AVOIDED gentiles...he was commissioned to speak to ALL people...keep in mind that with this NEW program, Jews and gentiles had NO distinction to Paul. National Israel was now as ALL the other nations in status. "He (God) concluded them ALL in unbelief, so that He could have mercy upon ALL"
 
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eph3Nine said:
Paul went to the synagogues because there was where the LOST people WERE! He never AVOIDED gentiles...he was commissioned to speak to ALL people...keep in mind that with this NEW program, Jews and gentiles had NO distinction to Paul. National Israel was now as ALL the other nations in status. "He (God) concluded them ALL in unbelief, so that He could have mercy upon ALL"

But you have repeated over, and over, that Peter was sent to the Jews only, and that Paul was sent only to the Gentiles.

Again... you deny Scripture seriously. Of course there were lost people in the synagogues, and that is precisely why Paul went there to share the gospel that both he and Peter had come to know.

Guess what ethnic line of people were to be found in synagogues? JEWS... If, as you have repeatedly stated, Paul was sent to the Gentiles exclusively, then are you suggesting now that he couldn't tell the difference between Jews and Gentiles?

Contrary to the position of any hyper-dispy, Paul loved his kinsmen (such as Andronicus and Junia) so much that he uttered the following... Romans 9:3... "For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my countrymen (brethren) according to the flesh."

That is a statement of self-sacrificial love that can only originate from the heart of our Saviour, as manifested in Paul. No wonder he went to the synagogues first wherever he went preaching the gospel.
 
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WAB said:
But you have repeated over, and over, that Peter was sent to the Jews only, and that Paul was sent only to the Gentiles.

Again...can you read? ARE you actually READING what Im writing or just skimming?

Paul WAS sent only to the gentiles. When God SET ASIDE the Nation Israel, there was NO LONGER any distinction. NO separation between chosen people and dogs. "He (God) concluded them ALL (jew and gentile) in UNBELIEF, so that He could have mercy upon all."

The Nation Israel became as all other nations...gentile.

So when Paul went to where the unbeleivers WERE...he found them in the synagogues. There were no churches with "christians in em".

YOU just dont get it because you are in the wrong program and dont SEE that God changed gears.

Time for iggy for you, bud. You set yourself in OPPOSITION to the gospel we are in today, and thus against God.
 
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eph3Nine said:
Again...can you read? ARE you actually READING what Im writing or just skimming?

Paul WAS sent only to the gentiles. When God SET ASIDE the Nation Israel, there was NO LONGER any distinction. NO separation between chosen people and dogs. "He (God) concluded them ALL (jew and gentile) in UNBELIEF, so that He could have mercy upon all."

The Nation Israel became as all other nations...gentile.

So when Paul went to where the unbeleivers WERE...he found them in the synagogues. There were no churches with "christians in em".

YOU just dont get it because you are in the wrong program and dont SEE that God changed gears.

Time for iggy for you, bud. You set yourself in OPPOSITION to the gospel we are in today, and thus against God.

Oh... now I see... "the Nation Israel became as all other nations.... gentile."

So now all Jews are Gentiles, and there really is no distinction! Hooray! (just a tad sarcastic :blush: ).

You have recently accused me of not being proficient in the English tongue, and perhaps you are correct, because if what you wrote... "Time for iggy for you bud." is English, then I plead guilty, for I understand it not.
 
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