What did Jesus know?

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

According to the New Testament, what did Jesus know about:

1. how our universe began?

2. how the universe got to be what it is today?

3. the future of our universe?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

I'll venture three possible answers and see how we go from there:

1. '...."Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'....' (Matt. 19:4)
2. '....You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. ....' (John 8:44)
3. '....He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."....' (Rev 21:5)

 

[Davian]

 

[Euler]

You have to show he existed before you can consider what he may have known.

 

[St_Worm2]

According to the New Testament, what did Jesus know about:

1. how our universe began?

"IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being" John 1:1-3

"By Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together" Colossians 1:16-17​

2. how the universe got to be what it is today?

"Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned" Romans 5:12

"Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse" Romans 8:20​

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3. the future of our universe?

"In hope, the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay" Romans 8:21​

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[SkyWriting]

According to the New Testament, what did Jesus know about:

1. how our universe began?

2. how the universe got to be what it is today?

3. the future of our universe?

It seems He had limited His own access to all knowledge
while He walked as a man here. This forced Him to have
faith in the Father as a true man would.

 

[Willtor]

You have to show he existed before you can consider what he may have known.

Surely, you mean, "You have to show he was the Son of God before it matters what he may have known," not, "Show he existed before considering what he may have known," right? Are you saying it's likely he may not even have existed?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

It seems He had limited His own access to all knowledge
while He walked as a man here. This forced Him to have
faith in the Father as a true man would.

You talk like a man who never read the Bible. St. Paul describes him as humbled, and humbling himself and yet he talks about him as possessing all the treasure of wisdom and knowledge -- and we know that if all the things he shared were written down, not all the book so the world would be able to contain them. As twelve he was found conversing with learned me -- as there is very little else about what he talked about -- and to assume that he was mute isn't even happening -- those who met him said things about him that insists that he had the keys of knowledge -- perhaps we have only a flavor of it in the Bible and sad that there is not more, but his greatest gift was to put himself in every man, woman or child who opens their hearts and lets him in.
These earthen are referred to as temples, for God. Isn't that a marvel, and so when we look down and see all the collective knowledge of mankind -- even yours sir, we see that there it has poured out of him in streams of living water -- to not only enliven, but enlighten and encourage all the disciples of Science.
Here we are on a Creation & Science forum, with so many wonderful minds -- some not to bright, but still together a living testimony to what he has poured out -- his life on the cross, and from the Father in heaven the Holy Spirit -- a gift!

Hallelujah!

 

[SkyWriting]

St. Paul describes him as humbled, and humbling himself and yet he talks about him as possessing all the treasure of wisdom and knowledge -- and we know that if all the things he shared were written down, not all the book so the world would be able to contain them. As twelve he was found conversing with learned me -- as there is very little else about what he talked about -- and to assume that he was mute isn't even happening -- those who met him said things about him that insists that he had the keys of knowledge -- perhaps we have only a flavor of it in the Bible and sad that there is not more, but his greatest gift was to put himself in every man, woman or child who opens their hearts and lets him in.

That fits my views perfectly. Thanks!

 

[Loudmouth]

According to the New Testament, what did Jesus know about:

1. how our universe began?

2. how the universe got to be what it is today?

3. the future of our universe?

What did Achilles know, or Zeus?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

What did Achilles know, or Zeus?

Apparently a lot more than they let on.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

That fits my views perfectly. Thanks!

 

[bhsmte]

According to the New Testament, what did Jesus know about:

1. how our universe began?

2. how the universe got to be what it is today?

3. the future of our universe?

Assuming Jesus existed and I think he likely did, it is difficult to determine, because I believe the NT lacks historical credibility, in many areas.

 

[JacksBratt]

It seems He had limited His own access to all knowledge
while He walked as a man here. This forced Him to have
faith in the Father as a true man would.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Assuming Jesus existed and I think he likely did, it is difficult to determine, because I believe the NT lacks historical credibility, in many areas.

I can only speak from my personal experience here, but most of what has convinced me -- has not been the evidence (which thankfully, is not absent), but the texts themselves which carry too deep a sincerity to be missed.
I might not be a professional historian, but I am fast becoming a very enthusiastic layman -- I remember when Ehrman chatted with Witherington about his book on this subject, and what emerged was this same sense of the deep sincerity of the writers. I could go to include so many great minds who have had this same experience with the texts. It's what historians look for, and most of them find the NT has a lot of that. It makes for compelling reading, but oddly there seems to be the other something about it -- and that is it holds such a high standard of sincerity that it almost become too much to manage at times. Do you know what I mean?

 

[bhsmte]

I can only speak from my personal experience here, but most of what has convinced me -- has not been the evidence (which thankfully, is not absent), but the texts themselves which carry too deep a sincerity to be missed.
I might not be a professional historian, but I am fast becoming a very enthusiastic layman -- I remember when Ehrman chatted with Witherington about his book on this subject, and what emerged was this same sense of the deep sincerity of the writers. I could go to include so many great minds who have had this same experience with the texts. It's what historians look for, and most of them find the NT has a lot of that. It makes for compelling reading, but oddly there seems to be the other something about it -- and that is it holds such a high standard of sincerity that it almost become too much to manage at times. Do you know what I mean?

I am quite certain, there are many religious texts, that were written with utmost sincerity. When the mind really wants and needs to believe something and the person truly believes, they are indeed sincere.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

I am quite certain, there are many religious texts, that were written with utmost sincerity. When the mind really wants and needs to believe something and the person truly believes, they are indeed sincere.

If that's what you got from my words, I dunno.
I'll try in one short sentence: There are certain things that even skeptical historians search for in texts, but until you've actually understood, or better - experienced that -- I doubt if you'll really get it.

time to sleep. goodnight

 

[bhsmte]

If that's what you got from my words, I dunno.
I'll try in one short sentence: There are certain things that even skeptical historians search for in texts, but until you've actually understood, or better - experienced that -- I doubt if you'll really get it.

time to sleep. goodnight

Is it possible for someone to sincerely believe something that isn't true?

 

[Strathos]

What you need to understand is that just as it wasn't Jesus' goal to rule as a king on earth, it also wasn't His goal to teach people the science of the material universe. That's something we had to figure out for ourselves.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Is it possible for someone to sincerely believe something that isn't true?

Sure.

I am more concerned for those, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

Anyhow none of that has anything to do with what I was trying to explain. No harm,
Another time.