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What desperation causes a person to stab themselves?

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Insights of a social worker:

"I think there are (unsurprisingly) a number of issues involved with those
people I know who cut themselves. In many cases it seems to fill a similar

role to crying, like an almost-unwilling admission that they just can't cope
with whatever they're facing. And with the same effect of 'recharging' them
afterwards to continue the battle, or to re-evaluate the situation and their
perspective on it. And also with the same feature that some (but not all)
of those doing it resent the very fact that they do it, and hate it (or
themselves for it). Some on the other hand seem to feel it a part of
themselves and of their way of dealing with their life that they are fully
comfortable with. I suppose in many ways (as with crying) these
differences stem from the attitudes of those around them to their 'coping
mechanism'.

With the people I know best I don't construe it at all as an 'attack on
the self' or on the current form of self we are showing to the world
though.. a frustration with the state of one's world/existence certainly,
but most people don't necessarily equate that with a frustration with
themselves, even though I do with myself. There's even sometimes a sense of
'better to cut myself than someone else' I feel. And of course, as with
drink or drugs or violence or tears or panic or whatever, once a particular
behaviour becomes your habit for the times when you feel you can't cope (for
whatever reason it does), it is a perpetual battle to change that habit
should you wish to.

I don't share the idea that the body is what
stops us being that which we most want to be (or indeed that it's not part
of who or what we are), or that everyone dislikes 'what we (they) have
become in this world', but certainly I agree that cutting one's body is
generally an expression of frustration (although of course such expressions
of despair can even become fashionable, and cutting for fashion's sake is
far from unheard of, tho not really what we're talking about here I think).

And yes, *I* feel that this sense of powerlessness in our existence stems
from our not letting ourselves choose that which we wish. But I know that
many don't agree with this, so here I think it is a case of needing to be
careful not to try to fit what we see of the experiences of others too
neatly into our own 'model of existence'.. To include another in such a
model involves as much work and change as including yourself I'd say, as
their ideas feelings and convictions will be just as crazy as your own! ;)

To be honest what interests me at the moment anyway isn't speculating
as to others' reasons for their actions (I prefer to just ask and listen to,
as well as under, their answers), but considering my own life. So if you
feel that we all despair at what we have become in the world, the
interesting question for me would be why *you* feel that despair in
yourself, and the interest in self-cutting would be an interest in the
parallels between that and your own behaviour - whether it sheds any light
to you on yourself? I feel that any understanding we gain of others is just
by an extension of understanding we've gained of our self anyway really. So
if you could understand better why you feel that despair and what part of
*you* might choose to cut yourself, then you will find empathy with those
who do it, and maybe understand what the connection is between them, if
there is one.

Don't know if that helps at all? As I say for me it would be like
crying - a release, an admission of not-dealing, and maybe even a consequent
cry for help. But I'm sure different people's reasons are as varied as
different people's reasons for crying! Like people who eventually cry only
*because* they know they're 'not supposed to'.. there's definitely part of
that taboo-breaking in some people's self-cutting too.. Oh, and also some
people like to learn about other people by observing their reactions *to*
that taboo-breaking on their part, and even do it for that reason.. <sigh>
complex and beautiful things these people!!

Anyway, so those are my thoughts on the matter for now.. feel like
wandering a bit more now"
 
hmmm, interesting... You know you are correct in the way that you say there are many many reasons for people to self harm (cutting is but one way), and i think from a personal perspective thats the key- There are many reasons, and for each individual thats true to them. It is a way of coping and thinkin gof it like crying is a good way of trying to understand. But please please bare in mind that it is not a productive way of coping it is a destructive way, and self harmers of any kind- ED's, cuts, desisions; do need to be taught and encouraged to find constructive ways to release emotions. It's not a good state to be in and God longs for us all to be released from the pain of this world, destructive patterns like self harm need God's grace.
 
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I agree that cutters need to be given other coping mechanisms, but what they really need is to solve the problems in their lives that are causing them so much pain and frustration that they feel they must hurt themselves in order to cope. It's not an easy thing to overcome and become addictive very fast and you would be surprised to find out just how many people you know actually do self harm in one way or another. It's a huge problem that gets over looked most of the time and if you know someone who hurts themselves, get them help asap!
 
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Totally true, you do need to look at the cause of pain and frustration! But i'd also say whilst doing that the individual can get into worse trouble with themselves- looking at pain can be even more painful. So it's important to help them express their feelings in a constructive way whilst helping them to look at and sort out the underlying issues.
 
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I can't cut anymore because my part time job requires me to wear a short sleaved shirt. People already stare at the faded scars on my arm so I'd hate to think what would happen if I had recent cuts. Lots of people asking me what happened and thinking I'm a freak or something. :sigh:

Although, now I've been doing something much worse to "feel". :(
 
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I completely understand what you're going through wblastyn, i just started a new part time job that requires short sleeves and I'm kind of freaking out. i hope you get help for whatever you're doing now to help you feel, it's a very lonely place to be in and if you ever want to talk feel free to PM me.
 
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:( sorry to hear that wblastyn; if it helps, my impression of you from CF is that you're really valuable, and nice.

I'm sorry to say that I have had a few short lived relationships with a razors edge. Every time I see things written on this subject I think, ick..eek terrible times, bad times indeed, but then it's like what a satisfying relief it used to be - rather like chocolate or tea - as normal as that - it's a bit triggerring to think over the times again. Sometimes it feels like theres not much to lose apart from feeling bad about how wrong God sees it to be, and what a rebellion it is against the power he gave us to cope with life.
 
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I wonder if I can ask what understanding people have as to why people do this cuting. I feels so deeply about it . My partner used onc to cut herself, but she never really understood why, apart from that her mother did not value her and it was lie an expressin of the worthless ness of herself that that had made her feel...
I want to scream out that god Loves you, that is enough for anyone, but I know that is not enough to solve this self-mutilation...

She stopped doing it because she saw how much it upset me, but I would see her pick up a knife ,for cookin, whatever ,and hold it witha longing in her mind before she went on with using it...
I am too close to this problem to sort it out clearly in my mind, my heart reaches out to all who do this, but my mind has not understood why... I seem just to know that I have not found the answer why...

the post at the head of the thread is my son's attempt to show me the many reasons that his friends do this, it is so very common !

Is it just a symptom of a sense of the lack of Love in these progressively more unloving times in which we have to live for the final fulfillment of God's purpose in mankind?

my love anyway to you all, if that shuld help.
 
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wblastyn said:
I can't cut anymore because my part time job requires me to wear a short sleaved shirt. People already stare at the faded scars on my arm so I'd hate to think what would happen if I had recent cuts. Lots of people asking me what happened and thinking I'm a freak or something. :sigh:

Although, now I've been doing something much worse to "feel". :(

:hug:
 
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There are lots of reasons people cut themselves. Sometimes It's an attempt to move the unbearable pain from the inside to the outside, kind of a distraction, and sometimes it can be a self-atonement. Other times it's a progressive building of courage to end it. It seems, in all cases, to be a cry for help.
 
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wblastyn said:
I can't cut anymore because my part time job requires me to wear a short sleaved shirt. People already stare at the faded scars on my arm so I'd hate to think what would happen if I had recent cuts. Lots of people asking me what happened and thinking I'm a freak or something. :sigh:

Although, now I've been doing something much worse to "feel". :(

Keep that job, buddy! We love you.
 
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is not aways a cry for help..

not everyone who SI's shows their scars, or fresh cuts..

i know i don't. too ashamed, too embarrassed, and very few ppl who know me, know i SI. my dad never found out til i was hospitilized from a suicide attempt. i didnt want anyone to know... i as never a cry for help.

just a need to destroy myself, outside as well as in..

i have self injured thru various methods since i was able to talk. which was before it became 'cool'..

now loads of ppl do it. lots of lyrics from rock stars 'promote' it... its become a sad fad.
 
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I can't stand it when people do it to look like they're all depressed and they go around flashing their fresh cuts that are basically small scratches that i'm sure barely bled. I know there are people out there who need help and are sincere in their actions, and they're not the ones who go around flauting it, they're the ashamed ones who would die if anyone ever found out.
 
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I am a cutter, one day I couldn't deal with the stress so I grabbed a piece of glass and slit my wrist.I stood there in mild shock, than grabbed a shirt to cover it.I cut every layer of skin, just missed veins and tendons by a hair.I spent 3 days in psychiatric assessment centre.I don't really cut anymore, sometimes I heat up knives and burn my self, or put lighter to skin.I don't know how harming yourself calms you, it could be the fact that endorphins are released to reduce the sensation of pain, and they have some effect on the brain as well.I harm myself because of non-acceptence of appearence, feeling zombie like(caused by anti-depressants), never asked for existence(body is my prison),physical problem to embarassing to reveal.The only reason I am still alive is my family.I wouldn't want to affect them, but I guess if I was dead I wouldn't care if it did.I always convince myself and try to achieve something positive, it has been 3 years now and I'm more pessimistic than before.Everyday I see people around me slip, two friends are crackheads, sit around do meth all day, steal dvd players for coke.Other friend who isn't crackhead, lives with these two guys, stole pot plants from my other friend so he could get away from the crackheads before the house got raided for a second time.I know two people with cancer.I won't go on anymore I could type 5 pages.I didn't type this so people would feel sorry for me.Im Just looking for advice.
 
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Self harm, like cutting, for me personally was a way of letting out anger and frustration. I couldn't and wouldn't hurt anyone else, and i couldn't talk to anyone. So i used to harm myself. What gives me the right to hurt someone else? But along with that, what gives me the right to harm God, though in some silly place in my mind i protected God through harming myself rather than others. Some of it comes down to value, control, self worth, but for everyone it's different. I don't think you can understand truely other people's reasons, though you as a self harmer i can undertand and empathise more.
 
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A question for both of you: do you feel that self worth issues may be related to placing stock in the wrong things? Maybe forming self perceptions around things that really don't matter? If you are image bearers of God, what could possibly lessen your self-worth? Not your perceptions of self worth. But what can possibly take away the fact that you are an image bearer of GOd? What can add to such a pricless worth?

It is said that no two snowflakes are alike. The same is true of people. For the entire existence of this world, there has never been anyone with your perspectives, your exact set of talents, your experiences, your wisdom. You are one of a kind. The world has waited this long for your arrival, and this is why no one can do the job you do, no one can bring to the world exactly what you have. You are priceless. You are an imagebearer of God.
 
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