What defines a species?

[Ace777]

So I guess you figure a dolphin is a fish.

Do you know Poe's law?

Poe’s Law is an adage of Internet culture that states: without a clear indicator of the author’s intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views12. In other words, when someone makes a satirical or exaggerated statement online, it may be taken seriously if there’s no obvious sign that it’s meant as a joke. This phenomenon applies to various topics and has become increasingly relevant in internet interactions3.

So if you see a smile face it is there for a reason.

 

[AV1611VET]

What point are you trying to make?

Probably the weak academic argument that the Bible can't get taxonomy right, since Jesus referred to a fish as a mammal.

Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

This might [pun] hold water [/put] if God would have used evolution.

But it shows evolution never applied.

 

[Ace777]

Jesus referred to a fish as a mammal.

I did not even know that the word mammal was in the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

I did not even know that the word mammal was in the Bible.

Good point!

It isn't.



Some like to pretend it is though.

Like saying the Bible says Pi=3.0

 

[Ace777]

Good point!

It isn't

Science and the Bible say the same thing. You just need to get your watch fixed because you dispute WHEN God did what He did.

The term “Ancient of Days” appears in the book of Daniel in the Bible. It describes God as the eternal and wise ruler of the universe. This title emphasizes God’s timeless nature, infinite wisdom, and sovereign authority over all creation. The Ancient of Days represents God’s eternal and just character. The Ancient of Days reminds us that God is in control, even when human empires rise and fall.

 

[Ace777]

Like saying the Bible says Pi=3.0

Because Pi is 3.0 in the real world. I did drafting, even on paper a line has thickness. This is why we always say NTS not to scale.

In 1 Kings 7:23 how thick is the vessel? What is the difference between inside and outside circumference.

We know the inside circumstance is 30 and the outside is 31.42. So how thick is the vessel?

In a 3D printer you select inner brim or outer brim. The brim itself ranges from 10 - 20 mm.

 

[Ace777]

The numbers given are approximate.

I think it has something todo with the size of the rim. This could hold 500 gallons.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science and the Bible say the same thing.

They should ... but they don't.

You just need to get your watch fixed because you dispute WHEN God did what He did.

No.

I dispute when science says God did what He did.

According to science, the universe began expanding in 14,700,000,000 BC., leaving a trail of creation behind it.

According to the Bible, the universe was created in 4004 BC, over a period of only six days.

 

[dlamberth]

I dispute when science says God did what He did.

Your dispute is with the Universe itSelf.
Which is the reason of your embedded age.

 

[Ace777]

They should ... but they don't.

There is no conflict at all between Science and the Bible. God uses them both.

According to science, the universe began expanding in 14,700,000,000 BC., leaving a trail of creation behind it.

According to the Bible, the universe was created in 4004 BC, over a period of only six days.

Both are true. Your week began on October 29 4004 BCE. We both agree on that. God did everything He says He did on that week. This is when He finished His work. When all was perfected: Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Genesis 6:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your dispute is with the Universe itSelf.

Not at all.

The universe is cursed and in a fallen state.

Groaning and travailing in pain, waiting for the Lord's return.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Which is the reason of your embedded age.

The reason for my embedded age is to show how things can be old as the hills, yet created just recently.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no conflict at all between Science and the Bible. God uses them both.

I don't think God uses science; He uses nature.

God gifted science to mankind to use it to do His will.

Thus man uses science, God uses nature.

 

[Ace777]

I don't think God uses science; He uses nature.

God gifted science to mankind to use it to do His will.

Thus man uses science, God uses nature.

God is a God of absolute Justice and He uses natural laws. Science is attempting to understand the Laws of Physics. We can only see the effect, science can not see the cause. Astrophysics for example is very popular right now. As an attempt to understand the Universe or God's Creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

God is a God of absolute Justice and He uses natural laws. Science is attempting to understand the Laws of Physics. We can only see the effect, science can not see the cause. Astrophysics for example is very popular right now. As an attempt to understand the Universe or God's Creation.

No argument.

 

[Ace777]

No argument.

Perhaps if there was an argument it would be that Science loves the Creation (Universe) more than the Creator. God wants us to love Him because of who He is and not just because of all the lavish gifts that He gives us. Life can be difficult but the wisdom, knowledge and understanding He gives us is amazing and beyond wonderful.

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps if there was an argument it would be that Science loves the Creation (Universe) more than the Creator.

Even most scientists wouldn't consider that an argument, as they don't believe in the Creator.

Even going so far as to ridicule and challenge those scientists who do.

God wants us to love Him because of who He is and not just because of all the lavish gifts that He gives us. Life can be difficult but the wisdom, knowledge and understanding He gives us is amazing and beyond wonderful.

Absolutely!

 

[Astrid]

Your dispute is with the Universe itSelf.
Which is the reason of your embedded age.

Have you thought about keeping discussion within
rhe specified guidelines for the physical science
forum?

It's not as if there's no room in all the other forums
for people to talk about the opposite.

 

[Ophiolite]

So I guess you figure a dolphin is a fish.

Fish go back to the Cambrian explosion around 530 million years ago.

Well, cladistically speaking dolphins are fish, as are all mammals and, indeed, all tetrapods.
And at the other end of the classification jumble the fish that appeared in the Cambrian were jawless fish, quite different from the jawed fish that first appeared in the Silurian and that constitute almost everything we think of as fish today.
Classification systems are context sensitive - apply them in the wrong context and you get nonsense.

 

[Astrid]

Well, cladistically speaking dolphins are fish, as are all mammals and, indeed, all tetrapods.
And at the other end of the classification jumble the fish that appeared in the Cambrian were jawless fish, quite different from the jawed fish that first appeared in the Silurian and that constitute almost everything we think of as fish today.
Classification systems are context sensitive - apply them in the wrong context and you get nonsense.

I took a 400 level comparative veetebrate anatomy
course with a professor who was not a fan of such
lumping.

"Sharks are not fish", for example.

I'd agree with that, and his observation that
calling all vertebrates "fish" serves only to confuse
the citizenry and annoy the biologists.

 

[AV1611VET]

"Sharks are not fish", for example.

Fish have gills.

Mammals have lungs.

Thus a shark is a fish, and a porpoise is a mammal.

You can tell a mammal by its blowhole, which leads to their lungs.

Thus whales, dolphins, and porpoises are mammals.